The people have voted. Last night was confirmation we don't want a second referendum. Whether we like it or not.
In fact what the results do is highlight the need for electoral reform even more. The Tories won a massive majority of seats with 45% of the vote. Leave parties lost to Remain/People's Vote Parties by 47% to 53%. This one ain't gone.
Can I suggest that from now on that 12th December is known as National Self Harm Day? Perhaps there can be an annual roll call of all those unfortunate people who never voted for the Tories, but who died as a result of the continued austerity measures and underfunding of the NHS, just so the government can be held to account. Feeling desperately low, knowing that my wife’s chances of ever receiving her state pension, have now become almost non existent, unless Johnson succumbs to further lobbying by the Waspi women, or she is able to continue fighting her illness for another 3 years. Brexit will also now end my plan of retirement in Spain, owing to the loss of freedom of movement, unless they relax the rules for property owners. Bugger.
Aren’t there plans afoot to change the boundaries again, making it almost impossible for Labour to get back in?
It honestly wouldn't surprise me. The only hope is that once the myth of Brexit has been proved, and Labour have sorted themselves out again, things will return to normal and it will be the Tories who take a hit.
Surely, if you hold a second referendum, you open up all elections to challenge, because the losers can always say “They didn’t know what they were voting for” If Labour had won, would you be happy for the result to be challenged because the under 30’s have never experienced nationalised industries?
That's not what I was saying. The days of FPTP have been numbered for decades. Blair promised reform and didn't deliver, then the Coalition had a flawed referendum on a system that wouldn't have worked. Most other European countries have PR and happily make coalition governments work. Most of them have public ownership of key industries as well. They get on OK, why should we be any different?
Elections and referendums aren't the same. Elections are held on a regular basis supposed to be every 5 years and are fought on the overall government policy for that term, the result are binding. Whereas referendums are on a single issue and are advisory and need an act of parliament to implement. In many countries they are held on a qualified majority where e.g. a 60/40 majority is required, particularly when such a contentious subject as leaving the EU is concerned.
Brexit was a protest vote against the establishment. But somehow, the narrative has been changed so much that the Tories now arent the establishment!? It's a masterstroke from Dominic Cummings. Books will be written about his weaponising of the media. Listening to the radio today, and interview after interview was people in former labour strongholds saying they voted to get brexit done. I still didnt hear one valid positive for Brexit though. No interviewer ever presses them further. It's just empty rhetoric.
Musical therapy neighbours? **** the neighbours. Play it Lauda! Whoops wrong thread, sorry but may help to raise the spirits of those a little dismayed by the result.
Do you think that any government with a strong majority would consider allowing the voting system to change to PR, potentially weakening their grip on the country? I think we will have to wait for the revolution to change things.
