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  1. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    Looking at that with the bot accounts, that don't look great either does it. I hope you can see Rob that I am doing my best here to stay as neutral as possible with this subject. I've questioned it when Rob first said it was staged. I even said why would the hospital publicly say sorry and the health secretary rush to the hospital and publicly say sorry too, if it was staged? So I was very unsure and found it uneasy to just claim this is fake news.

    But then see the picture. As ROD said, the drip would be higher up and not on the floor. I highly doubt that they had run out of beds, trolleys, chairs and anything possible to lay on - instead of a bunch of coats, and run out of drip stands too! The drip wouldn't work if it was on the floor and not higher up. Also my wife just pointed out to me that the Mirror article said the boy has pneumonia. My wife has had that before and it can (apparently) only be diagnosed following a chest xray. But the article claims that the boy hadn't been seen after waiting for several hours. So how was pneumonia diagnosed? How was he given the drip too? Just doesn't add up. Also he between a bed and cupboard, which you get in wards. To get into a ward, you would have been seen to be placed in a ward. And for health and safety, you wouldn't be placed next to a bed and cupboard in case something falls on you. The BBC themself claim it was coordinated and Labour spent money to advertise the picture on social media.

    With the Tories using bot accounts to spread it was staged, making bot accounts to do this is wrong. Trying to influence people the wrong way. But it aint no where near as bad as what Labour have potentially done here in my opinion. Both wrong and as bad as each other, like you said.... what a state our politics are in.
     
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    Yep exactly the same :emoticon-0148-yes:. I still don't know whether it was staged, I've been working today and not really looked into it outside of the odd 5-min visit here and elsewhere. But I'm not backing either side on it!

    On the other hand, looking at this, and combining with the bots above, it seems the Tory retaliation is almost certainly fake.



    But, again, being neutral, if it was faked in the first place then no one has a moral high ground here at all do they.
     
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    Roll on Friday.

    The wife has got a doctors appointment at 8.50am, the dogs are going to the groomers at 9.30am, picking up both from Sainsburys in Bridgend around 1.00pm, and then going to get my lottery tickets for Saturday on the way home from the local Co-op down here in Newton. I'll probably get a couple of Steakbakes and Cheese and Bacon Wraps from Greggs next door to the Co-op and enjoy them with a mug of coffee as a late lunch.

    The world goes on.
     
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  5. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    Fully agree. Neither side can have the moral high ground here. I am 100% certain that the Tories have made up these bot accounts to try and create damage limitation. Its pretty obvious isn't it. I am now pretty certain too that the picture was staged as well. Obviously I don't know for sure but just adding things up by looking at the picture, the story doesn't add up. Then add what the BBC news article today said about Labour paying money to advertise it, it just doesn't sit right at all with me. I just hope people will find out that both have fabricated things here and neither gain from it. I honestly believe something needs to be done to any politician who is caught out lying. A big fine? A criminal record? Prison sentence? They need to be held accountable because there is soooooo much distrust in all politicians. They are all corrupt. They are all in it for self gain and not actually to help you, me or anyone else. The brexit referendum was so important for the future of our country. Yet there were lies on both sides. Scaremongering on both sides. Same in the last election. And this election. Petty arguments in the commons and on TV just make them an embarrassment to the world. There are more Labour MP's than there should be. Labour in the last election had in their manifesto they would honour the referendum result. I know people who voted brexit, still want brexit but hate the Tories due to all the cuts they have created. So they voted labour for change but under the condition they thought brexit would still happen. I honestly believe they gained MP's as a result. But going back on their promise has created more division than ever in the parliament and that has caused more delays costing more money. Trust is gone. And when you got Corbyn and Boris as the 2 real contenders to lead this country, I don't think trust will ever come back to politic, until promises are kept and something is done to stop all the lies and petty arguments between politicians.
     
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  6. BCFCRob

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    To be fair looking now, it does look genuine here:
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-50713236

    Here the hospital themselves say there was no bed, they have a direct quote. Honestly, being neutral, on this occasion I don't think it was faked or staged. I don't see why the hospital themselves would admit it if it was.
     
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    Been to the kids hospital A&E loads of times now. Waited till am from 7pm for my son to have a scan for concussion. No problem with that. Seen kids on the floor sleeping as well. my son slept on the floor!! but they are not seriously ill. this child had a bed and then didn't as another kid who was genuinely seriously ill needed it more. The child was discharged within 24hrs and didn't have pneumonia and he was not seriously ill. ordeal for the mother and the kid but was the kid at risk at all ever?
     
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    just read the link of the bbc article you posted … it says the
    hospital apologised .. they are on orders to do so as soon as any issue comes up .. apologise foremost then investigate

    photographed with oxygen mask … why is it not attached to his breathing receptacles … nostrils tubes placed in nose and held in place with tape!!!!

    mother said … "He needed to go to sleep and he needed to lay down. He started falling asleep and he ended up going to sleep on a pile of coats. ……………… just 1 coat likely the one he was / had been wearing? red coat his mothers which she likely didn't wear as hospitals are pretty much around 22c + [ 70 degrees ? ]

    He couldn't have been in the ward straight away so where was he for the first 4.5 hours A& E? to have oxygen he will have had to of been seen and I am sure there will have been seats [says there were] then had 5 hours on a trolley in the ward .. hey I was on a trolley for 20mins in the summer and awaiting to go in for an op ..pre knockout phase .. and it was pretty comfortable I dozed off …. am beginning to suspect that the "bed" in the pic was his trolley ...think it through …

    >>> A&E ..>>> CHECKED OVER and GIVEN OXYGEN? [ you have undergo tests to ascertain your oxygen blood level and then get it set to your requirement? would have been on a trolley at that stage? >>>> MOVED TO WARD ON A TROLLEY so OXYGEN WILL HAVE BEEN PART OF THE TROLLEY SYSTEM >>>>> PICTURE LOOKS LIKE IN A WARD? >>>>> but on floor with no connection to oxygen? >>>>>OWN CONCLUSIONS!
     
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    Pretty much what I said in my comment at the top of this page. All valid points and is what raises suspicions.

    Just a shame we have to be in this situation where politicians have to exploit people to try and gain the tiniest advantage over each other.
     
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  10. Red Robin

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    No brainers for any sane human being<confused>

    I'm still a bit undecided about my vote direction in the general elections this coming Thursday.

    I've obviously taken into consideration what I consider to be the following swaying points on the two main parties.

    On the one hand the Conservative Boris Johnson is a bit of a rascal with the ladies and can sometimes bend the truth a bit, he’s also a bit posh.

    And on the other hand..

    Labours Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
    Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
    Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
    Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
    Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
    Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
    Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
    Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
    Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
    Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
    Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
    Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
    Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
    Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
    Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
    Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
    Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
    Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
    Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
    Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
    Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
    Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
    Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
    Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
    Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
    Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
    Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
    Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
    Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
    Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
    Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
    Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
    Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
    Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
    Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
    Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
    Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
    Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
    Opposed shoot to kill.
    Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
    Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
    Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
    Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
    Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
    Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
    Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
    Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
    Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
    Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
    Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
    Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
    Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
    Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
    Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
    Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
    Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
    Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
    Received endorsement from Hamas.
    Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
    Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
    Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
    Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
    Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
    Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
    Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
    Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
    Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
    Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
    Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
    Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
    Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.
    Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
    Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
    Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
    Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
    Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
    Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
    Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
    Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
    Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
    Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
    Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
    Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
    Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
    Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
    Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
    Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
    Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
    Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
    Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
    Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
    Voted against banning support for the IRA.
    Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
    Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
    Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
    Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
    Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
    Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
    Voted against control orders.
    Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

    So it’s a tricky one really
     
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  11. Cliftonville

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    The child went to pediatric assessment. Its supportive to A&E for children. The child could be given treatment at that stage. If the child's condition was serious he would have not been sleeping on any floor.

    What has happened is that a unfortunate event has been weaponised in attempt to make political capital. This is not out of concern for the NHS, it patients, or its staff. That is an insult to the professionals of the NHS.
     
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    Whether it’s real or not, I honestly don’t know either way, all this is doing is distracting from the real issue. That the NHS is ****ed.
     
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    The story highlights the NHS is not ****ed. The child was never at risk. The NHS is full of brilliant people.
     
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    Child sleeping on the floor, due to pneumonia/flu/whatever. Doesn't really matter.

    Cliftonville concludes - the NHS is fine. Of course. <doh>

    I'm going to dip back out of here before I break everything again aren't I? :emoticon-0102-bigsm
     
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    I was disappointed at Johnsons response, refusing to look at the photo and taking the phone off the reporter, struggling to cope when he can't just blurt out the narrow message he has been told to say. A real politician would have said thats shocking I am embarrassed as soon as I have finished this interview I will find out what happened.

    who the hell do we vote for they are all second rate
     
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    I can see why you are undecided. I am undecided too.
     
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    You used this to conclude the NHS was ****ed. As did the Daily Mirror. A hot headed narrative.

    A child with pneumonia did not sleep on the floor. The child was not at risk. Yes that the child was not put at risk does matter.

    Boris Johnson apologised for all those who have terrible experiences with/within (?) the NHS.

    A real journalist would have looked into the circumstances behind the topic. The hospital was experiencing its highest demand on that day for three years and added a balanced view that the NHS has a constant challenge to cope with the UK's population whether the government is red or blue. That was not this particular journalists mission. It was a cheap tawdry stunt attempting to undermine the PM who on occasions can do that with no help.
     
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    of course it does. kids in Bristol a&e sleep on the floor waiting for treatment. mine did as his condition was not serious.
     
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    You have to remember that the current state of the NHS is nothing to do with Boris. He hasn't made any decisions over the NHS since the Tories took power in 2010. He has only been PM for around 130 days (approx) and in that time he has tried to get an election where he can make changes to improve the NHS if he wins said election. He has made big promises to recruit more NHS staff (32k), sort out the retention of NHS staff, bring back bursaries, upgrade hospitals, build new hospitals and increase funds for the NHS with an extra £32 billion per year (someone correct me if its million or billion). Yes he is the Tory leader and therefore he has to take responsibility for issues but I feel, as much as I am not Boris's biggest fan, he needs the benefit of doubt here as he only just took over the PM role.
     
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    I agree with you both. To me, Rob is right. The NHS is fooked. But I agree with Cliftonville that the NHS is full of brilliant people. The NHS being fooked in my opinion is not the fault of the NHS or its staff, who operate the best service they can with pretty much their hands tied behind their back! But waiting times for all different types of appointments have increased, targets not being reached all over the place and a lot of facilities are so old, its not fit for purpose. If the government actually fulfilled their promise of implementing the referendum result, we would have already been out of the EU and already dealing with other issues like the NHS and social care etc etc.
     
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