Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

Surely the saline drip should be higher, even without a bed drip stands are not in shortage.

 

Whatever turns out to be the truth of this story, Boris’ reaction was appalling, refusing to look at the picture and putting the reporters phone in his pocket. That’s not the action of a man I want as my Prime Minister.

 

Another stitch up by Labour and there cronies despicable bunch of people

 

No one made Boris react the way he did , surely even you aren’t defending that, it was embarrassing beyond belief.
If it turns out it was a set up I certainly won’t defend that , equally no fair thinking person would even attempt to defend Boris’ reaction.

 

Surely if what you said was true, one of the Tory supporting papers would be all over it

 

Wait until tomorrow pre election day

 

And Alan Sugar was staunch Labour-

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Go Tim what a man

 

A different angle is do you believe GP's and Nurses would behave in the manner reported?

Its twenty years since I left the NHS but I do not accept any hospital in the UK places children with pneumonia on the floor unattended. They would use many other options.

Yes politicians left and right will sink that low -Insulting the caring and professional Nurses and GP's of the UK.

 

if you are in a space full of people with a list of names pre prepared and an orderly way of achieving the best for all, the one thing that disrupts this is hecklers .. I'm not making an excuse for how it panned out … but these sessions any sessions are usually above average stress levels, [ In the past I had to stand up in front of up to 50 peeps and present things, even though having done it dozens of times before the odd person "speaking out of turn" causes anguish, you can lose the thread and get sidetracked ] especially if you are giving answers not off a cue card or have learned a stock answer like a nursery rhyme … 2 advocates of the nursery rhyme are JO & Nicola & 2 very strong advocates of the nursery rhyme are Womble [ Tele tubby as they call him in Scotland ] and Jeremy, who also has pages of script to prompt. 6 different Q's posed to them always get the same answer .. usually word for word.
that reporter, not a mainstreamer did have Q spot but picked a moment to thrust the phone in front of Boris, how many on here would like to be in conversation when somebody rudely butt's in takes over the conversation?
yes you can see it as "no empathy", in the same vein, but at the right time it would likely have received a more positive realistic response. You have to remember that these interviews are done on very tight schedules.

 

I agree. I doubt this story and the way it was portrayed has anything to do with Corbyn and his acolytes, though I wouldn't put it past them (either party) to sanction the actions of others lurking benath the surface of politics.

The public faces we see are the tip of the iceberg - it's the 90% below the water that cause the real trouble. With social media platforms at the fingertips of anyone on a mission, it's all too easy to undermine the public platforms on which the respective leaders speak.

I'll be glad when this is all over and whoever gets in has to pick up the pieces and start running the country instead of looking for the next cheap shot.

 

If they're out of beds/chairs/other makeshift options what do they do? Levitate? If they're out of options they're out of options.

I've no idea if it's faked. Honestly, I can believe it being true based on what I've seen with my own eyes on the NHS and from anecdotal evidence. But equally I've no doubt whether you're red or blue, dickhead politicians on both sides would probably BS to this length for political gain.

 

A comment/comments were made on a radio interview not BBC, it stated this GE was the first in living memory where it has been fought by digging up as much s*** [ a lot unfounded or mis presented] as possible and promising so much and many things that in a 5 year period would by nigh on impossible to achieve and the cost would be a seriously big black hole in the countries finances.
It also sleighted JO, who believes she is not undemocratic and the 6million who signed the petition [ she states the basis of her wanting to opt out hours after gaining power, unilaterally ] were less than 50% of who voted to remain she did not answer why there was not 6 million signing a petition to leave! answer they are democrats!

we all have to hope that there will not be a hung parliament, but one that has a majority to be able to steam ahead without shackles on every comment or act it wishes to achieve or having to face off with the courts which in reality are not governances of our constitutional process.
OUR history is splattered with historically famous achievers, Prime Ministers , that go down in folk lore …
Walpole Wellesley Peel Disraeli Gladstone Asquith LLyodd George Baldwin Chamberlain Churchill Attlee [ Bevan ]Wilson Thatcher Bliar since then no real PM has stood out and the list includes famous /infamous … Given a real opportunity, good majority I think Bris could join this list …. !

 

A very good point That along with seeing the bed and cupboard in the background seems very suspicious to me. However, the fact that the hospital has said it happened and the health secretary has apologised for it. Why would both admit it if it didn't happen?

I am very interested in seeing tomorrows papers to see what it says - as Red Robin says it will come out tomorrow that its fake.

And now in today's paper.... another child not on a bed or trolley but on a chair! Is this fake???

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I only seen a clip of this today, so I am not sure if its the full clip or just a part of what happened, so forgive me here if I don't make sense as I may not have seen it all. To me a reporter gave his phone to Boris to show him a picture of the child on the floor which put Boris on the spot. He put the reporters phone in his own pocket and didn't want to discuss it. To me, he wasn't aware of the incident and didn't know what to say. But then he got the phone out and looked at the picture and said it wasn't good enough and apologised. He then got his health secretary on to it, who immediately went to Leeds hospital to deal with the situation. I wouldn't say it was appalling. Boris has no idea if the picture was fabricated or not and if the story is true or not. He wanted to avoid the situation on camera and dealt with it appropriately off camera.

 

I just seen the BBC1 lunch time news. It just mentioned the claims that the picture was staged had gone viral on social media. The reporter then said the following information....

• "Labour used the picture of the child on the floor in 3 paid for ads on Sunday."
• "Labour spent around £15k to get the picture seen on over 700k peoples timelines on facebook and instagram on Sunday alone. Seen by many more hundreds of thousands since."
• "Since the claims that the picture was staged, Labour has derailed this strange seemingly coordinated campaign."

It's beginning to look more likely that it was staged for Labour to use the NHS as a weapon against the Tories, which they have been doing throughout this election campaign. Whether its true or staged, it doesn't sit right with me that Labour has paid money to exploit this child in their campaign to win the election. A "strange coordinated campaign" with the press.

I really hope you are right Red Robin about tomorrow because Labour deserves a big attack on them due to their schemes around the NHS. Calling a press conference to say they have proof the Tories are selling the NHS, even though there was no proof in the documents that they had. Constant scaremongering because Corbyn knows he cant win.

 

And here are the Tories doing the exact same thing. Making up a total fabrication about it being fake and then spamming it on a load of bot accounts:



I'm genuinely staying as neutral as possible here. I honestly can't work out whether this is fake or not. Both sides look pretty possible unfortunately. God what a state our politics are in.

 

The question was do you believe GP's and Nurses would behave in the manner reported? No its bullshit.

It is faked/taken out of context/its both. But it is wholly disrespectful to the people who work, in the NHS calling into question the nature of what they are.

In regards to critical care of children there are always options be that transfer to adult wards, another hospital, putting the patient into a ambulance to monitor them .. It is routine that the care of seriously ill children usurps the care of adults.

The child had flu.

Hospitals and health care professionals regularly apologise for their actions even when correct.

The hospital cannot legally make a statement of fact regarding its care as it breeches patient confidentiality. The hospital has apologised for not having a bed for a patient. It is not a point about direct care. ​