Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Bayern Munich

FootballDotLondon report that Parrott, Sessegnon, Skipp and KWP will all feature in this one

I guess we can add Foyth to the list of players we should start worrying about the future of...

 

Whiteman
KWP, Foyth , Tangana, Rose
Wanyama, Skipp,
Lo Celso, Eriksen, Sessegnon
Parrott

A good mix of internationals and youth.
A good mix of experience and up and coming.
A good mix of wantaways and prove yourselves

 

Very rare for a competition like this to allow a PL club to have a game
against the likes of Munich where a loss does not matter and you
are effectively playing for pride.

If I was Jose, I would be telling the kids that about 9 years ago
Spurs played away in the CL to the defending champions, and one
youngster that night began his rise to legend ...

 

Would not play Eriksen.
He has made it clear that he has no future with us so should no longer feature. Why should we help he maintain match fitness for his next team or keep him playing so he goes to the Euros?

Imho leaving him out means he'll have to leave in January or the Euros will pass him by and 6 months of no football will be a real set back to him.

He has every right to do what is best for him and he believes that is to leave. We have every right to do what is best for us and that is to prepare for life after him.

The same goes for Rose...apart from he has been rubbish for 2 years and Eriksen has been poor gor 4 months.

We have alternatives to playing both of them so should use the replacements.

Toby and Jan are slightly different as we do not have ready made replacements and Jan would like to stay.

 

Sadly I don't think the Euros will make one iota of difference. No disrespect to Denmark, but we could demote him to the U23s for the rest of the season and he'd still be the first name on their team sheet.

Currently his usefulness is to allow other players to have a breather. A stocking filler. This is especially important given Lamela's annual hibernation and our lack of a proper understudy for Kane (greater burden on Son and Lucas if and when the ankle goes again).

I'd go with:

Gazza
KWP Tanganga Jan Rose
Foyth Skipp
Lo Celso Eriksen Sess
Parrott

I'd like to see Foyth at DM. I think he has all the attributes to play the position really well.

 

I don't think there should be a separate rule for Eriksen than there is for someone like Toby. Both players have refused deals, Eriksen's just had the bollocks to be more upfront whilst Toby has hid behind "#COYS" Instagram and Twitter posts to pretend he's 100% committed to Spurs.

I hope Eriksen plays Wednesday, we still need as many players to be as fit as possible to help with fixture congestion and potential injuries. An injury to Dele means we'd have to rely on him and we don't want us to be relying on an unfit Eriksen.

I'd go with exactly the side B&W posted tbh. A mix of young players getting chances and squad players getting minutes.

 

Any news on the chances of seeing more than 5 minutes of Lo Celso?

 

If Dele wasn't turning up and we didn't have Lo Celso, then I'd agree. However, Mourinho has to do what's good for the club. What's fair really doen't come into it.

 

What’s best for the club is ensuring all players are as fit and ready to be called upon though. Whilst Eriksen’s here, just like Rose, Toby and Jan, all should at least be considered for selection and when an opportunity to allow players to get minutes comes along it should be taken. If we froze Eriksen and the others out and then had a typically Spursy injury crisis, we’ll have shot ourselves in the foot by not having these types of players ready to play.

 

On current form and formations, Eriksen is more dispensible than Toby.
Sad it has come to that, but there you go.

 

On Toby's form this season I think he's been extremely fortunate to have kept his place. Been at fault for about 5 goals and been bailed out by Dave Sanchez a number of times. Luckily for him, Jose doesn't seem to favour giving Foyth a chance. Whereas Eriksen has the misfortune of seeing a resurgent Dele make him easily droppable.

We should still afford Eriksen minutes on Wednesday though, an injury to Dele and our options are an unfavoured, unfit Gio or an unfit, off-form Eriksen.

 

In fairness I did say that it was different with Toby due to a lack of a replacement.
Moura has effectively replaced Eriksen (in a changed formation) and we have lo Celso.
We simply do not currently have those replacements for Toby...if we did I would say the same as I did with Eriksen and Rose.

 

We have Foyth and even Tanganga, plus we could always push Jan back to CB and give Sess a go at LB. Toby's been very fortunate to have kept his place this season in my opinion, think there's a strong case to say he's been just as bad if not worse than Eriksen, it's only because a lot of fans see red with Eriksen that I think Toby's gotten off lightly with criticism. I'd actually be very disappointed if we offer Toby a new deal, for me he's the biggest snake of all of the wantaways and him signing a new deal would for me, cement the notion he was someone deliberately trying to get Poch sacked.

 

I would start with GLC, and give Eriksen at least the last 30 mins.

After the results of the Wolves and Chelsky games, there may be scope for
Eriksen to start the Brighton/Soton games to rotate the squad (GLC should
start against Boro) .

 

On Wednesday I think there's room for both to start as B&W's XI pointed out.

In general pecking order I'd agree, Gio should always start and come on before Eriksen, I just hope Gio gets more chances alongside Dele and co going forward. Think he looks a real player and it's shame he's not getting a look-in under Jose.

 

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Wednesday 11th December 8pm
Champions League Group Stage
Allianz Arena​

Mourinho's first loss highlighted some weaknesses in the team and raised questions about the attitude of the squad.
Burnley are struggling for form but the performance and effort may temporarily have quietened some of them.
A trip to Munich is a very different beast though, despite both sides having already qualified and two likely weakened sides.
The squad players that haven't been involved much will have opportunities to make a claim for a place, as will some youngsters.
Can Mourinho rest and rotate, but still manage to get some kind of result and performance or will we get another embarrassment from Bayern?

I'm sure that no reminders are needed about the diabolical first game, as our visitors ran riot in the second half and won easily.
They were unbeaten at the time and looking in good shape, as Lewandowski continually found the net, scoring in every game.
A month and two league losses later and things were quite different. Niko Kovac left his position by mutual consent.
Quite unlikely that anyone would have foreseen the departure of both Spurs' and Bayern's coaches so early in the season when this group was drawn.
Munich have appointed an interim manager to replace the Croatian.

Hans-Dieter Flick is a former midfielder that spent 5 years at Bayern as a player from 1985 to 1990.
His management career started at lower league side Victoria Bammental before he moved on to Hoffenheim, who were in the third tier at the time.
His failure to gain promotion after several years lost him his job and he switched roles, joining Red Bull Salzburg as an assistant.
Working for a year under Giovanni Trapattoni and Lothar Matthäus raised his profile and he joined the German national team.
Joachim Low worked with him for eight years before the German FA gave him the new role of Sporting Director.
This summer saw him leave that role and join Bayern as Kovac's assistant, prior to taking over as their temporary coach.

Flick started very well in his new job, winning 2-0 and 6-0 against Olympiakos and Red Star in the Champions League
This was matched by 4-0 victories in the league against Dortmund and Fortuna Dusseldorf.
He has gone on to lose the following two games though, dropping to 7th in the league in the process.
Leverkusen shocked the Bayern faithful with a 2-1 win at the Allianz before A German Team maintained their place at the top of the division.
Can we learn anything from these losses?

No injury news yet, but Lloris, Vorm, Davies and Lamela are all still out.
Sule, Hernandez and Fiete Arp are out for the hosts, while Tolisso and Boateng are doubts.
Neither side has any suspensions.

Lineups for each side's last league game:

Spurs: Gazzaniga; Aurier, Sanchez, Alderweireld, Vertonghen; Sissoko, Dier; Moura, Alli, Son; Kane.
Subs: Whiteman, Rose, Skipp, Lo Celso, Sessegnon, Eriksen, Parrott.
League form: DDWWLW.

Munich: Neuer; Kimmich, Boateng, Alaba, Davies; Goretzka, Thiago, Toliss; Muller, Lewandowski, Coman.
Subs: Ulreich, Pavard, Martinez, Cuisance, Gnabry, Coutinho, Perisic.
League form: WLWWLL.

Ref: Gianluca Rocchi (ITA). Reffed our away game against Olympiakos.
Also took charge of our 3-1 win against Dortmund at Wembley in 2017 and our 2-1 loss to Monaco in 2016.
Had an, erm... controversial performance in the Chelsea 4-4 Ajax last month.

TV: BT Sport 2.

How would you like to line up for this one and what would you change from the Burnley game?
Would you stick with the same lineup, make a couple of changes or go for a wholesale switch?
Which system and tactics would you use and what are you expecting Bayern to go with?

 

Same teams as B&W:
Whiteman
KWP, Foyth, Tanganga, Rose
Wanyama, Skipp,
Lo Celso, Eriksen, Sessegnon
Parrott

Possibly even Eyoma for Wanyama with Foyth playing as the DM. Wanyama's done here, he's what, 6th choice CM? Probably one of the only players who probably wouldn't even get a game if we suffered a few injuries to the midfield.

Gives chances to the youth and minutes to those in need of them.

 

Still need a lineup that will not suffer a demoralising result like the home leg,
regardless of it being a throwaway game and a good opportunity for academy players.

 

Funny how so many of the PochOut arguments also apply to Steptonho, but nobody dares mention it...

 

You are responding to me like I am defending Toby mate...if it were down to me, anyone not willing to sign a new deal or did a "Danny Underpaid Rose" would not play for the club sgsin do they'd have to leave without going on a free or poisoning the dressing room...

But when I say this you and the other mofos on here tell me I have to be pragmatic...now you are digging me out for following your advice with toby...

FFS...now I know how Mrs RCL feels when I chat ****e

I am gonna flounce off now