Off Topic Politics Thread

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I see no juggling

The policy is not intended to be populist it is intended to be a pragmatic solution to an untenable situation

The Referendum was over-simplistic and short on real information, but you can’t just throw it away as the LibDems would. But you can offer another vote with real and better understood options

And if you take sides as a leader then how can you implement the decision if it goes against you? Eg. Cameron resigned and May was a Remainer who then magically transformed into a Hard Brexiteer

Interestingly the Hard Remain stance of the LibDems now seems to be their Achilles heel

Fair points. It certainly isn't getting the populist vote. It's a tough gig. Many don't see it as pragmatic. I'm guessing he'll lose out in the Labour heartlands, but not with the ardent remain momentum, who will probably stick with him.

My heart says Labour, but I'll probably vote LibDem tactically. They have a good chance in T.Wells, and are really going for it. It was I think the only Remain borough in the SE.

My priority is to keep the Tories out. Just hope if it comes to it, the LibDem's don't swing right again.
 
So that’s how much you value democracy is it?

I’d say that was a bit ... well ... gutless

so you think you should have a go at me for expressing a different opinion........oh dear oh dear.........luckily you will never need to find out wether that be true or not.
 
so you think you should have a go at me for expressing a different opinion........oh dear oh dear.........luckily you will never need to find out wether that be true or not.

No, not for expressing a different opinion, for wasting your vote and therefore expressing no opinion with your vote

As long as you vote for a candidate of a real
Political party then that’s fine
 
No, not for expressing a different opinion, for wasting your vote and therefore expressing no opinion with your vote

As long as you vote for a candidate of a real
Political party then that’s fine

Rest assured my vote won’t be wasted. Strangely I have voted for the a local party who has managed to stay in power locally. Not been so lucky in a general election.........incidentally the raving looney party aren’t represented down here. No real decisions made yet.
 
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Got a UKiP pamphlet through the door today. Obviously, they think they might have a peep at a shot with Caroline Nokes being a bit of a Tory outcast. Ever more reason to vote Lib-Dem in Romsey & Southampton North. The pamphlet? I gave it one paragraph of BS before it went in the bin. I considered that possibly excessively tolerant of me.
 
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Got a UKiP pamphlet through the door today. Obviously, they think they might have a peep at a shot with Caroline Nokes being a bit of a Tory outcast. Ever more reason to vote Lib-Dem in Romsey & Southampton North. The pamphlet? I gave it one paragraph of BS before it went in the bin. I considered that possibly excessively tolerant of me.

The recycling bin I hope.
 
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Here’s what the Tory candidate in Anna Soubry’s Broxtowe seat had to say about people having to use food banks:
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What have the Tories ever done for us, I hear you ask? Quite a bit, as it turns out

2010-2019, in case you missed it...

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.

..... and we now have MORE BILLIONAIRES IN THE UK THAN EVER BEFORE!!!!
 
Got a UKiP pamphlet through the door today. Obviously, they think they might have a peep at a shot with Caroline Nokes being a bit of a Tory outcast. Ever more reason to vote Lib-Dem in Romsey & Southampton North. The pamphlet? I gave it one paragraph of BS before it went in the bin. I considered that possibly excessively tolerant of me.

I had one too, TSS. It’s a bit like Izal I found - not very absorbent ......
 
Got a UKiP pamphlet through the door today. Obviously, they think they might have a peep at a shot with Caroline Nokes being a bit of a Tory outcast. Ever more reason to vote Lib-Dem in Romsey & Southampton North. The pamphlet? I gave it one paragraph of BS before it went in the bin. I considered that possibly excessively tolerant of me.

Me too......a bit hard on the backside though............but you could argue I put it to good use.
 
What have the Tories ever done for us, I hear you ask? Quite a bit, as it turns out

2010-2019, in case you missed it...

1,000 sure start centres closed.
780 libraries closed.
700 football pitches closed.
Food bank use up 2,400%.
Homelessness up 1,000%.
Rough sleeping up 1,200%
Bedroom tax caused mass evictions.
Evictions are running at record highs.
35% of U.K. kids live in poverty.
Student fees up 300%.
Student debt has risen 150%.
Eradication of EMA (education maintenance allowance).
National debt has risen from £850billion to £2.25trillion.
Emergency Brexit stimulus from BoE in June 2016 of £175b.
Brexit related fall in national revenue £500b.
GDP fallen to -0.1%.
GBP fallen by circa 15% versus EUR and USD.
Manufacturing in recession.
Construction in recession.
Services close to recession.
25-30% cuts to all govt departments.
25-30% cuts to all councils, mainly centred on Labour councils.
Half of councils facing effective bankruptcy.
185k extra deaths attached to the political ideology of austerity.
25,000 less police.
20,000 less prison officers.
10,000 less border officials.
10,000 less firefighters.
10,000 less medical professionals.
25,000 less bed spaces for mental illness.
OECD calculate 3 million hidden unemployed, rate is really 13%.
Creation of 1.3m jobs, mainly temporary, self employed, gig economy and ZHC.
Only 30k full time work positions created.
Close on 50% of workers are self employed, ZHC, or part time precariat.
80% of the 5.3 million self employed live below the poverty line.
35% of self employed only earn £100 a month.
25% cuts for our disabled community.
80% cuts to Mobility allowance.
Closing Remploy.
40% of working households have practically no savings.
70% of households have less than 10k savings.
60% of households can only survive 2 months without a wage.
Household debt reaches new peak, despite emergency base rates.
Increase of 50% in hate crimes.
Increase of knife crime by 150% to 22,000 per year.
Increase in teenage suicide by 70%.
Suicide up 12% in the year 2018.
Self harm among young women up 70%.
Life expectancy down 3 years.
NHS satisfaction level at lowest recorded rate.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
Zero starter homes built, despite Tory flagship programme.
Council home building down 90%.
200k social homes lost since 2010.
One million families on council home waiting list.
100,000 increase on the council home waiting list since 2010.
36,000 teachers have left the profession.

..... and we now have MORE BILLIONAIRES IN THE UK THAN EVER BEFORE!!!!
Gonna use this. Thanks.