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Manager go-round

Discussion in 'Manchester United' started by glazerfodder, Nov 29, 2019.

  1. cytrax

    cytrax Well-Known Member

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    Even the papers are now reporting that Southgate may be in the frame. It may not be such a crazy idea if we look at the bigger picture. I also suggested Rodgers as another option few months back. He's proving to be far better than anything we've had in years over there at Leicester.
     
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    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Southgate would be insane, he's not what you need. Rodgers needs to see this campaign out and show he can grind out results when the attacking footy fails.
     
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    This is how I see Rodgers, he can set up a team to play good attacking football, since leaving Liverpool he's gained experience and is now more assured in front of the cameras. There are still questions about his ability to build a squad and about his ability to grind out results when it's not going your way.
    Are there question marks about his ability to manage at the very top? Yes, so do you want to take another chance?
     
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    cytrax Well-Known Member

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    I agree that Gareth would be more of a long shot but I wouldn't role him out of the frame. Rodgers for me doesn't need to prove much in my opinion. He was very close to winning the league at Liverpool, he's resourceful and his record shows that he has the right level of equanimity to manage egos and allow the team to play freely.

    Though I am not happy with our performances thus far, I like the resourcefulness that Ole has displayed in drafting in youth players. With better planning for the midfield, things may have worked out differently. My fear is that we go for one of those foreign star managers and the core of what Ole is building gets thrown out and we end up spending crazy amounts yet again.
     
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    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Take into account that he had Suarez and that when the chips were down and Jose offered us a point he didn't have the composure to look at the situation and take it he just kept attacking. Yes Gerrard slipped but we're should have been playing out a training game at that point.
     
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    As for risks, there are no guarantees regardless of who comes in. We've tried two superstar managers and failed. What we need now is structure in the team as well as defined strategy in the way that we build the team, especially round youth and British players. I would argue that Rodgers ticks both boxes.
     
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    I maintain my stance that we should wait until the end of the season.

    We can see how Ole progresses, he may yet win a trophy and nick 4th, and we can also see how Rodgers progresses.

    This will also give Pochettino a breather and, if he's not snapped up by someone else, he's also an option, as is Allegri.

    Southgate is a non starter. Ever.
     
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    True! Suarez came into his prime around this years. But that is also an indication that the manager had created the right environment to allow such talents to shine. I want to believe that he's grown from those days as a manager. Rashford will be coming into his own alongside other talents in the squad in few years. That is why we probably need to display a level of patience and planning with a longer game in mind as we build. This is where I Chief's point of giving Ole a full year in charge.
     
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    I referenced your point in my post without actually reading this. Ole one full year in charge is not a bad option and gives us time to plan better instead of being reactive as we did last year.

    As we will probably learn with Spurs, changing a manager reactively doesn't always fix structural issues.
     
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    I genuinely think we need a further change of players, rather a than another change of manager. Yet.

    Ole has made some major mistakes, which highlight he's a novice manager who is out of his depth at the moment.

    But, his signings are three of our best and most consistent performers.
    He really should have loaned out Jones and Rojo and kept Smalling but it was easier to get rid of Smalling as other clubs actually wanted him.

    We need another centre forward so Greenwood isn't burdened too much, getting rid of Lukaku without a replacement was also a mistake.

    But it's not Solskjaer's fault we have no real worthy left back, no creative CM because Pogba is an utter ****ing ****, Mata is over the hill and Lingard just isn't good enough, and it isn't his fault we've got a load of piss poor or inexperienced options at centre half.

    Like I said on the match thread last night, based on the starting eleven we need a right wing, back up centre forward, creative CM and a left back.

    Also a centre half if we're honest as, to me, Lindelof is still just below the necessary quality.


    All of this still applies whoever the manager is.
     
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    If you want Rogers then pay attention to if he's learned to take a point when battering down the door isn't working. Your not going to see how he is with signings as I can't see them buying anyone.
     
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    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    <yikes> I know it's a tough job, but ****ing hell <laugh>
     
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    I still think we should stick with Ole. He's got some things wrong but he's done a lot of things right and we're good to watch again for the first time since SAF retired.
     
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    He is certainly not harming his chances at the moment. I love his resourcefulness by introducing players from the youth system. That is Ole's greatest achievement so far. If he can learn from the fatal mistakes that he made in the summer by not planning for quality replacements before letting players go, there is a path forward.
     
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    I don't think he made any fatal mistakes, he seems to have a long term plan and (at least in his head) the boards backing.

    With that in mind the summer went very well, he got three very good players in positions where we sorely needed them (three is a decent amount to introduce to a team, any more and it gets too disjointed).
    He got rid of a lot of toxicity from the dressing room and gambled on Rashford and Martial to score enough goals to at least compete for top four.
    I think in January he will be looking for one, maybe two players, the main one being a creative mid. A lot depends on the situation with Pogba, he will either play a couple of games in December ready for sale in January or, if Ole sorts his head out he will return in Jan as a valuable player.
    Any other additions will be in the summer, a striker if needed and maybe another centre back. A replacement for Matic is needed at the moment because if Scott McT is injured we are ****ed.
    The rest of this season will tell us if we really need more, will Williams make the LB spot his own, can Axle be the Matic replacement (as well as CB cover, not forgetting the crystal Bailly.

    If Ole is right about having time then he has the basis of a very good squad already and by the end of next season we could be really competing again.
     
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