Our fans are disgusting

As far as Im concerned, the players are paid a good wedge probably more than most of us on here. They should all give their best irrespective. In some occupations you would be sacked if you continually underperformed. The fans are entitled to voice their opinions, after all they are paying customers although I would not voice dissent until final whistle has blown.

The players should be able to perform irrespective, unfortunately booing them whilst the game is being played doesn't help. At the end of the day a good proportion of them couldn't give a ****

 

Rooch I am giving you a 3 year contract on 3 grand a week and you can sweat your bollocks off or you can do f uck all but the fans will be cheering you anyway, Ooooh! let me think about that

 

Marcus, the other reason that you have received negative feedback is that you seemed to have blamed all 27000.....all clubs have negative supporters, Arsenal being the latest. Don’t go blaming them all, especially when they turned up on a miserable Tuesday night. It just divides us and pisses people off

 

I think whats dividing us and pìssing us off is the way the team are performing.
The op's gone in with his opinion with boots on, both footed, same as others with different opinions.

Fans are emotionally charged and understandably frustrated by the way we are at the moment.
Debate is turning to squabbles.

We are where we are unfortunately and there's no use fighting amongst ourselves.
Hopefully the players needed are brought in come January and PP can get results, otherwise we are stuck here another season and he needs peddling.

If pp fails to get a tune after the window and he is sacked, the owners need to think carefully about the next appointment.

Overlook popular choices for someone uninspiring again with no improvement, and the owners really are doomed.

 

I would not mind a unpopular choice as long as he got the job done.

 

The thing with a popular choice is that it would mean they had time and goodwill, both of which help everyone involved. Bring in a manager who fans don't really want, and time is at a premium.

We need galvanising and it starts with the owners making a bold statement about us being bigger than league one.

 

I wish the players would get straight into it like the OP, no messing

I might have sworn at them few times but I don't think I've ever targeted one of our players, even Kilbane

Its a chicken and egg problem. Its always been obvious the crowd responds to attacking football. Even counter attacking football will do.

What they won't abide is parking the bus, time wasting, half arsed performances and aimlessly humping the ball upfield. Mainly because we've seen it too many times before.

 

Someone like O'Niell? It does not all ways work like that.

 

O'Neill started with 7 wins, 2 losses and a single draw in his first 10 games. It saved that season. At one point we were in 8th!

 

And after that?

 

The point was more about the short term. They appointed PP to get us up, and to do that he needs to be good and get the fans onside. So far he's done neither and part of that is that we were collectively on the fence about him.

We needed a bigger name. Someone who makes players want to play for them and see the potential in getting in now.

 

See what you are saying but getting a manager for the short term then him bringing his own players leaves, then it all starts again. New manager, new tacticts different personnel.
I would not have had Parkinson from the beginning because if by some miracle he does get promotion i don't think he is good enough to go beyond that and that means another manager change.
I suppose it all boils down to what we can afford manager wise at the moment.

 

Very much a short term decision, Stew starting to lose his cool for some reason

 

Absolutely we needed someone who was going to galvanise the fans as otherwise there was no point sacking Ross. Ross shouldn't really have been sacked but he'd lost the fans (or a significant number at least) and that negativity was going to affect the team. Parkinson is good enough to get us promoted, as was Ross, but he hasn't got the unilateral backing of the fans either and the negativity that creates causes a problem. If both/either were accepted by the fans, their only problem would be getting the right players in in January.

 

Absolutely - there are so few who would get the unilateral backing though. A large number of our fans want Allardyce (who is talking to Watford I believe at the moment) or someone like that - a manager who would be massively out of our pay grade structure in the third division. Expecting him to come here because "he owes us one"

He owes us nothing (he will see it that way) and he openly said he'd not come back here and that he's a firm believer in not going back.

If the board offered him £4m a year he'd think differently - but that's the stark reality of our situation.

Who could we realistically attract who would galvanise the fans and bring the players together? Phillips said he was interested - he'd certainly galvanise the fans (mostly) - but most of our players won't know who he is or what he did. Add that to the complete lack of any management role in football at any point, what is he likely to bring to the table?

I wouldn;t want Phillips or Ball as I love them and they love the club. It would likely end on a sour note with a sacking if they came in as manager with things as they are. That just wouldn't sit right with me!

 

Apart from Phillips I don't think there is anyone who will get unilateral backing really. Maybe someone like Stendel, although he may be off to Hearts. The reason is though, people's expectations aren't realistic. Ross had us in touching distance and with a good Jan window we would have been well placed for promotion. But it wasn't good enough that we weren't run away leaders. That combined with people expecting managers to be miracle workers hampers the whole club in my opinion because when their unrealistic expectations are dashed, they start getting negative. As this site shows.

 

I don't think having unequivocal backing of fans is necessary or even possible. But that said, I think the sense that someone like Stendel was more of a 'hot property' was something that would have galvanised us and the team. The appointments have to be exciting, and if they are, fans say 'ok, even if there's a bit of a bad start, there's a reason the person was thought of as good'

Whereas what we have here is someone who a lot of people warned about, who was out of work and is about as far from exciting as it gets.

 

Under normal circumstances of course it's not necessary. In our current situation I think it's the only thing that will get us where we need to be.

 

Not sure how though and that's the thing - he'd have had the same players Parkinson has with the same problems. He played nice football with Barnsley last season - but had Keiffer Moore ujp top - a player who can hold the ball up, finish and put himself about even when things are up against him. Grigg does a lot of running but I never see him "putting himself about" - seems more "token gesture" to me.

For all we know Stendel came in, saw the sizer of the club and asked for championship wages? Or he didn;t apply and wasn't interested in the job? So many people asking why he wasn;t appointed yet none of us know the story.

 

If we don't pay top level wages for this division, there's only one place we are going to be. We have the budget to spend on a good manager. Everything around the club is tentative, almost like nobody knows if they'll be here in 6 months time and is not going to bust a gut on or off the pitch.

That starts with owners who have had one foot out of the door for 9 months until now, and who appointed someone who is clearly a short term cheap option, and who haven't spent a penny in transfer fees this season.

Not good enough.