Latest is that they appealing to the bloody foreigners brigade.. less immigration where as Labour are promising to sort out the gender pay gap... Gammonesque folk will be fuming on that one. PS. Just because someone voted leave or vote Conservative this does not make people gammon, however if you are the type that gets riled up by equality and consider it's designed to persecute you, that middle aged, able bodied, hetrosexual white men are under attack you are definitely gammon of mark francois and piers morgan proportions
Prit cant give numbers, savid cant give numbers, they can on other parties but not their own. Ever so slightly worrying! 20000 extra police! , let's please get it correct. 20000 police to restore the numbers that were cut and even still it will be less per person than 2010! Come.on tories, get your act together. Lest get brexit done !
Also Id be amazed if they are taking into account the natural shrinkage, so I'm kinda expecting if it was fully explored the figure will be significantly lower than the 20,000 'on top' as promised. The slippery bastards
So is it ok, as I’ve said before, to refer to a black person who acts and talks like a white person....a coconut? I don’t like it as my Mrs has been called it a few times (by black people funnily enough). But hey ho, maybe I’m being a bit too ‘snowflake’.
You what mate? That has nothing to do with my post. Anyway the answer is no, it's not. However certain language really does hold historical context of oppression, the slave trade and literally getting beaten the **** out of for your ethnicity so I can understand why people get seriously pissed off when it's used.
My point was mate that I find the insult ‘Gammon’ as offensive as the insult ‘coconut’......though the former seems to be widely used and accepted. Just find it a tad hypocritical when both are referring to someone’s colour and both are referring to the way that person acts but one is deemed ok for use and the other isn’t. Wasn’t meant as having a go at you personally, just something that pisses me off.
This discussion reminds me of another one, where if a white man dresses up as a black man this is racist (eg. Black and white minstrel show), but a man dressing as a woman (drag queen), is celebrated with TV shows like the RuPaul one. I find it hard to see the logic of both viewpoints. Why is one 'Blackface' but the other not 'Womanface'.
Men have dressed up as women in theatre for as far back as theatre existed. Look at pantomime. Men aren't offended. I've never heard of a woman being offended. I admit I've never met a transvestite to ask.
Gammon although usually will relate to a white person, for me it really isn't about race it's about attitude and rage towards certain subject matter and an undue sense of persecution which certainly isn't exclusive to whites. I respect what you have said and appreciate your comment by the way. The reason why I feel certain language is offensive does stem from history and how the words have been used over the years. A certain word beginning with N is strongly associated with the slave trade and widely used by people in the KKK and such group to describe someone as being 'lesser' due to their ethnicity and the ethnicity as a whole being inferior, this is not the case with 'gammon' it's not claiming that being of an ethnicity makes you any lesser a person because of a birthright, it's attacking a persons attitudes
Not so Cleverley. These people cant speak without a written script, revised over and over again. They are like programmed robots. We saw the leaked Tory script for them to deflect questions. It's ridiculous.
And Kwarteng on Sophie Ridge claimed a huge (and denied number) for Labour spending plans, but had no numbers he could give for his own Tory party spend.
So taking your argument, that would assume ‘coconut’ isn’t offensive either. That’s inferring that a black person is black on the outside and white on the inside, referring to the way that talk and act......nothing about them being ‘lesser’ or ‘inferior’. So again, is there a difference as you’ve already said you reckon the usage of ‘coconut’ isn’t ok, but have no problem with ‘gammon’. Honestly mate, again, not against you personally just I don’t get the hypocrisy in its usage.
Coconut directly refers to ethnicity and the way in which you should act due to your ethnicity, gammon is a criticism of opinion and attitude, which has no correlation to ethnicity, a birth right.
Both refer to someone’s colour, both refer to the way someone acts. Both can be deemed to be offensive.
I don't care about the use of gammon and think it's pretty funny but wasn't it originally for white middle aged men who went pink hence gammon. I just find it ironic that people of the left don't like racism but think this is acceptable tbh. If its all about historically connotations then calling a black person inky or Nightrider shouldn't be racist but i bet it is. Likewise saying a Blackman has a big cock is also racist nowadays even though these have never been used historically
For me, as I've mentioned if I were to call someone 'gammon' it wouldn't matter which ethnicity they were, I'd happily call James Cleverly as gammon when he gets in a tizz. However it's also to do with history and privilege, whites, especially the British have made this Nation 'great' by ****ting all over over nations, killing them, enslaving and nicking their resources. The Brits have invaded in some way invaded all but 22 countries worldwide!! Been responsible for some of the worst atrocities in human history, should modern Brits, especially whites be blamed for that? Of course not, bit like modern Germans shouldn't have the **** thrown at them. However we should acknowledge that the reason we are as wealthy as we are and certain other nations are poor is in a large part because of these actions. Yet there are a shed load of people who consider they are under attack, being oppressed which is simply not the case, people are just wanting equality and acceptance. So yeah it's mostly whites who think like this because they are in a position to feel like this, because other ethnicities generally haven't had this opportunity. The gammonesque behaviour is held by people who seem to think new ideas shouldn't be put out there, different ways to their own aren't just as valuable, seen this with Morgan especially with vegans, gender neutral, etc.. And seemingly don't accept change that they think might put them out slightly, usually this isn't the case however.
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