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OT Player wages compared to solider wages. (Joining the OT band wagon)

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Welshie, Sep 18, 2011.

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  1. skalpel

    skalpel Active Member

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    Maybe you're misinterpreting what people are saying but I don't think anybody here thinks that the army is filled with a bunch of Raoul Moats who are one bag of Monster Munch away from a psychotic vigilante rampage.

    I'm mostly referring to the respect issue here; but perhaps the fact that you have been in the armed forces has obscured from you the social convention which is apparent to many people; that a person serving their country in the armed forces must be respected for the dangerous and patriotic job they do. Not everybody is patriotic and not everybody thinks its a good idea to sign up to a job where you risk somebody else purposefully killing you unless you kill them first, in fact, many people find that contemptible. Yet this belief that all of those people serving their country are deserved of the utmost respect for the job they do is present, because Britain is still a patriotic country.
     
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  2. Jonnyaiston

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    *Completely disagree. You have no basis at all saying this and you are talking out of your arse.

    **No matter how much you are anti military, if there was no British military, then Britain would not exist right now. The government gives the military their orders so pointless saying military is an evil organisation.

    The government chooses the wars and the nature they choose to fight them, stop blaming the military for the very difficult job they do.

    "I want to kill sand niggers" - They around 16-20 years old? These are the kind of the people that should never be given a weapon or trained to kill. Unfortunately due to circumstances these days there will always be dick heads like that(oh look, the evil organisation didn't teach them these thoughts).

    I would definitely rather see people fighting for their countries get paid more then some people kicking a ball round a pitch. But I do understand reasons why this cannot happen. You don't see many soldiers complain about this though.
     
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  3. boxheed

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    i didn't miss that point at all - i said i give respect to people who deserve it, i dont give respect to a job title.
    when i served i didn't expect respect from anyone, it is earned, whether you might be a nurse / fireman or whatever job you do, its the same.

    i certainly didn't know anyone while i served who demanded it from someone who's never served, on the whole everything was kept very low key and as a rule of thumb, what happens is like what they say about vegas....in general if someone was bragging to a civvie mate about a particular time or war or incident i would bet they heard it 2nd or 3rd hand and wern't even there. soldiers don't talk much in public about things like that.

    i had served for 11 years and have now spent 15 yrs as a civvie, so i don't think i am obscured too much from the social convention these days......i,m not arguing with anyone, just putting across my perspective as the thread hadn't had a similar input or reply and was tending to be a bit one sided.
     
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  4. skalpel

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    We have the same opinion here, there is a misunderstanding. I am not saying anybody in the army demands respect at all, quite the opposite. I'm saying that outright respect for people in the armed service is an accepted social convention: the country's prime minister and mainstream media regularly assert this respect. You are correctly saying that people should earn respect and not be instantly given it because of their job title, this is also my belief but it is strangely not the belief of many of the general public.
     
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  5. boxheed

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    i lied , i am going to argue with someone

    i certainly am now anti anti military thanks to the weak minded , flower loving rant of RRF. Are you sure you arent touched or just touched up too much???

    thanks for your insight about a subject you know absolutely nothing about
     
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  6. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    My experience in the main with those who have served is exactly this, they don't feel they should get special treatment or expect it. Most of them love or loved the job. It is others who tend to glorify their job, thinking they should be viewed the same way world war veterans were. As I say the circumstances were different. Back then it wasn't a choice, most of the lads who serve now, do it because they wanted to or to get some discipline in their lives. I don't think current soldiers would have such strong views that their "supporters" do.
     
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  7. Freddd

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    1. Football player's salaries can only sensibly be compared to other salaries in the entertainment industry, to which they after all belong. Compared to, say, Sandra Bullock, football players have a lot of talent and work hard for their money.

    2. The modern British army deserves a gret deal of respect. While there are exceptions and failures, there are very few other groups that I would rather rely upon to deal with a situation that is dangerous, complex and requires restraint.

    3. Many members of the British army also deserve respect, though this varies individual by individual.

    4. I find the term "hero" used to refer to every soldier (or, more usually, every wounded soldier) off putting. On the other hand, soldiers also face a surprising amount of active discrimination - - many pubs won't serve them in uniform and they often receive abuse walking down the street (perhaps fropm RRF). Perhaps the twop offset eachother.
     
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  8. Amnesiac

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    Boxheed if I caused any offence to you with that remark I do apologise. However like you said people need to earn respect, which is my view, a job title shouldn't mean the public should respect you. The way the public is told to view soldiers through the media is what i'm against, not the job itself.
     
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  9. Cal.

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    In a perfect world there would be no need for a military, but we don't live in a eutopia, disarmament has failed before and will never work due to its nature of transferring power to those who disobey it. I think when people in this thread say they're 'anti-military' they mean, or should say, that they're against the current military conflicts that our country is waging.
     
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    Its as simple as that!! well put!
     
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    no need to apologise and i think we agree on the respect issue :emoticon-0148-yes:

    it is a forum after all not china
     
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    How the hell else do you think anything government does is paid for, everything is paid out of tax doughnut.
     
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  13. Cal.

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    I wonder how many soldiers are paid for by footballers? By this I mean by their tax contributions, which are often around, if not more than, 50% of their wages for the top leagues in this country.
     
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    Footballers are overpaid yes. But, they are in the entertainment industry, soldiers are in the public sector and know what they are signing up for.

    Most of the people who moan about "our boys" getting paid less than footballers are stupid ignoramuses who can't comprehend basic economics and simply jump on the Daily Mail's bandwagon of hate.
     
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