Old Fart Lets Off Again

It's done very quickly midweek in the CL though...

Like I said, it's our refs and FA which are ****ing it up.

 

Yeah, I'd also argue that there was much less resting on the games back then too. Managers got more time in charge, a loss didn't result in a complete media meltdown, your newsfeed wasn't lit up every weekend with every mistake, goal and booking, a game didn't mean the difference between 30mill and 100million...etc

So much pressure now to get things right.
So many ways for the average person to check a decision.

I don't think 'human error' will be an acceptable excuse now so we have to give the humans in charge as much help as we can. That's VAR. So it needs to be used correctly but so far, as we all know, it isn't.

 

Mike Riley

 

Some things the ref misses are clear cut on review. Some things are subjective like how much contact for a penalty. When it's too tight to call, the VAR ref should be advising the onfield ref to view the monitor with the opportunity to correct himself.

 

Even this takes too much time imo. In rugby, the video ref is simply trusted to tell the referee the decision, no questions. Much quicker and less of a pantomime.

 

that is what is happening here with VAR so all is good

 

I don't watch rugby so I don't know but a few have said it works well in that sport. Aren't the refs also miked up to be heard publicly? Fans know what's going on ie communication between all parties is audible. That might help in football or get the refs to explain their decision post games.

I think viewing a monitor will take less time than waiting for the VAR decisions. The Firmino incident for example took ages with the drawing lines and redrawing them. VAR says immediately go and view the monitor and the ref needs 10 seconds to see he's onside.

 

Farts are good both old and young.

 

I prefer Rachel Riley and she's a dirty manc!

 

Tbh I actually think that’s all we need to do is hear the refs
Before VAR I would have been happy hearing what the ref thought straight behind the game
More than hearing the gaffa tbh
If they explain what they saw and why they gave the decision with a monitor in front I would actually be satisfied

 

Everything that needs to be said that I agree with has been said, especially by Astro. But that won't stop me saying it again - the corrupt, pernicious fabrication of the facts by Atkinson shows the inherent weakness of any system. The problem with VAR over any other system though is that gives a bent as **** crook like Atkinson some kind of technological legitimacy. And for that reason it is very, very dangerous.

 

Including conscious and unconscious bias.

 

Well, presumably the ref would have to wait for the lines to be drawn because they are the guides for the decision, so I'm not sure that much time could be saved. The process is theoretically the same whoever makes the decision.

 

Perhaps I'm the only one left who actually likes the human element?

 

Nope, I preferred it that way too. Errors are part and parcel of the game imo

 

Snap... Only it's an 8pm one for me!


We're like poop brothers now.

 

That's because the rest of us are AI chat bots and not really humans.

 

Few things:

(1) the human interference is what’s ruining VAR

(2) VAR is in its first iteration - it should improve with time

(3) the sceptics of VAR were worried that there would be less talking points because there would be no wrong decisions, and therefore things would be a little dull. The irony is that there are far more talking points and topics for debate. So what’s the issue

 

Agreed.

The issue with VAR isn’t the tech, it’s the way it’s being used.

Goal line technology is black and white, involves no human input and has rid the game of ‘was it or wasn’t it’ a goal or not. No subjectivity merely fact.

I’ve been an advocate of bringing in off field replay assistance for years, in order to try and rid the game of refereeing howlers. The decisions that were obviously wrong and that influenced results.

So when VAR arrived I was all for it. However, the way it’s being used in the PL is just awful imo. First offside decisions. The offside rule is to stop an attacking player gaining an advantage by being beyond the last defender. The way VAR is being used to check this, is utterly ridiculous. For me it’s easily solved, if an offside is checked by VAR if the official can’t decide whether the attacking player is off or not with the naked eye, then he’s not gaining an advantage, so he shouldn’t & can’t give offside, and overrule the match officials. So bin off the ridiculous lines and millimetre measurements, and use it for what it should be used for, stopping the blatant offside ‘misses’ of days gone by.

As for the rest of it, penalty calls etc. Again, if it’s not a ‘clear and obvious’ error, then the VAR official can’t give it. If he thinks it’s in any way subjective, he should either instruct the match official to view the monitor and make his own call or talk him through it, like in rugby, and they make a combined decision.

What is clear to me though, is that Riley needs ****ing clean off before we’ll make any real progress with this tech.