What would it take to get wenger sacked?

3 league titles
4 FA cups
2 doubles
Champions league final
Top 4 finish every season he's been there

would suggest otherwise

 

Spot in.
The climate has changed, there are now two clubs with total disregard for finance and another who aren't far behind, attempting to compete with them would be catastrophic for the future of the club.
Wait for the rules on finance to kick in, when it becomes anywhere near a level playing field then judge AW

 

The financial landscape in football has changed significantly in the last 7-8 years.
In that time transfer fees have gone up astronomically. (it wasn't that long ago that paying £10m+ would secure the very best players)
Now days £30m+ is the ball park figure.
Wages too have shot up through the roof, we were offering Nasri £90k per week (that's £4.6m per year, not a bad salary)
But he chose to take £180k elsewhere.

Unless we want to plunge the club into unmanageable debt and fall foul of the FFP rules, then we can't compete with this.
Blaming Wenger for the wider economic circumstances is just scapegoating

 

Really annoys me when people talk about the rules of finance to kick on, as if that is the problem for our crrent maliase. Losing to Blackburn last week, Birmingham in the CC final, or scraping a win over Swansea, etc etc has nothing top do with finance rule. Let's not kid ourselves and think we are this way because we cannot compete with city, chelsea and manure..... There is a whole lot after the top 3..... Money or no money a team with Arsenal's aspirations should not be conceding 4 goals at Blackburn.....

 

Here we go again, FFP! Tell me what has that got to do with losing to teams like Blackburn (no disrespect). We are not saying we should be beating teams like Citeh or Manure.... On current form, we'll struggle to beat teams like Wolves at home....

 

The point being that some of you want to sack the best manager this club has ever had, he hasn't changed, the landscape around him has though.

I agree that losing to Blackburn was a terrible result, especially given the manner in which we threw it away.
We've got defensive problems that need addressing.

Sacking the manager will not solve that though.

 

That's wenger over 14 years. No truely great manager goes 7-8 years at a top club without a trophy.


Jose Mourinho - over 9 years.

* Primeira Liga (2)* 2002–03, 2003–04
* Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira (1)* 2003
* Taça de Portugal (1)* 2002–03
* UEFA Cup (1)* 2002–03
* UEFA Champions League (1)* 2003–04

England Chelsea (2004–2007)
* FA Premier League (2)
* 2004–05, 2005–06
* FA Community Shield (1)* 2005
* Football League Cup (2)* 2004–05, 2006–07
* FA Cup (1)* 2006–07

Italy Internazionale (2008–2010)
* Serie A (2)
* 2008–09, 2009–10
* Supercoppa Italiana (1)* 2008
* Coppa Italia (1)* 2009–10
* UEFA Champions League (1)* 2009–10
Spain Real Madrid (2010–present)
* Copa del Rey (1) * 2010–11


or

Alex Ferguson (over the same period)

* Premier League: 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09, 2010–11
* FA Cup: 1998–99, 2003–04
* League Cup (4): 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10
* FA Charity/Community Shield: 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011
* UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08

 

Wenger does not need to be sacked but he does need help, the guy has too much power and perhaps work load since Dein left and has lost the run of things.

He clearly does not have any new ideas left or any clue how to solve our defensive woes and as pointed out elsewhere we need a new defensive coach immediately.

The mans main problem is his stubborness and unwavering faith in mediocre players like Djourou(not only him- very long list of them), sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees as they say, I think Wenger will sadly fall on his sword before the seasons out because of this inbuilt flaw he has in plowing on with strategy of his way or no way.

I would be happy and most fans would to see a fundamental change in the way we approach games in order to bring some defensive resiliance into our side, Wenger will continue with his approach of trying to outscore teams and making basic proper defending a secondary priority to our detriment.
I am not saying we need to start playing like Stoke or anything but we need a much better balance between attack and defence.

I feel for Arsene right now but this whole situation is becoming draining as both a fan and I can imagine for the players and staff, there is still time to improve but is there time for real change that will start to bring silverware in years to come? I can only hope so but I am at the stage where I am doubting that our abitions can be achieved with Arsene at the central helm long term.

I do not want a change of manager, certainly not right now but the situation is extremely worrying...

 

omogooner - this is true, but those poor performances are a symptom of the financial problems.

You can't change our team as much as we have done without there being any bedding in period, the first time the current squad (new players) got together was 2 days before the Swansea game, we struggled then and despite dominating for long periods on Sat we made stupid mistakes and got punished, the longer the squad spend together the better their understanding will be.
Something like 7 of the 11 starters on Saturday would not have been starting for us a year ago.
Don;t get me wrong I understand the frustrations, but the newbies will need time

 

To answer the question, I cannot see Wenger getting sacked, unless he gets us relegated! Which is highly unlikely (or is it?) To be honest Wenger and the Board are in it together, marriage made in HELL. Are they accountable to us the fans, don't be daft, they do not care! Hopefully, the man himself will know when to walk, even though I doubt that very much....

 

I am sorry, you have not made your case regarding the correlation between the FFP and the poor performances against what is effectively a team of journey men......

 

As much as I hate to admit it Maureen & SAF great managers, but it is unfair to compare their trophy count to Wengers. Maureen was able to spend money like it was going out of fashion & SAF always had the financial backing to replenish his squad when required. Wenger has never had that luxury.

I'm not saying Wenger is completely blameless for the situation we're currently in, but if he was sacked it would be an absolute tragedy. Maybe the time is coming soon where he needs to take a step back but sacked never.

 

I couldn't agree more with Gunner's sentiments and would hate to see Arsene being made to go. It isn't the way you treat a manager who has brought much to the club. Arsene isn't a fool and unless he is absolutely blind could surely see that something needed to be done with our defensive work. However would he ever accept that he needed help in this area? That he has held steadfastly by his youth project is absolutely true but blind faith and being blind does not address our current problems. These problems have gone on for a long time and he seems unable to address them. Who could persuade Arsene to bring in some changes and some assistance? I cannot see the board having sufficient influence on him. David Dein was the only man who could. It is of great concern that if Arsene persists with his approach we are destined to fall away in performance and with that opportunities for funding and our ability to attract players who we need. If Arsene does not do something, who will make him? And if no one gets him to make the necessary changes then what next? I think we are at that point.

 

A transfer window that closes 3 weeks into the season in my view is wrong, it is very disruptive to all teams involved in any transaction.
Cesc and Nasri all went with days remaining in the window, not only were we forced to panic buy because of the timing of the deals (there is an argument that says we could/should have predicted this and moved earlier to understand the position of both players before end August).
Deadline day was in the middle of Euro qualifiers and international friendlies so even though we secured five signatures the players were all over the globe at the time of signing, they didn't report to the club until 2 days before the Swansea game.
Take Nasri, kissed the badge, told fans he loved them, went public saying that he is not looking for a route out, he's not worries about money etc etc etc, then a few days before the window closes he's off to Man City (a day or two after playing for us as well !)
He collects his £180k a week and his agent gets richer - and Arsenal are left to pick up the pieces and try to find replacements inside a few days.
The new players will need time

 

I think many of us feel the same Robin, as a group our fans have been quite united over the years despite our lack of silverware, we always realised it would take time and that progress was being made. It's fair to say we are no longer making progress and are now in arguably a serious regression and the quality of our squad/first team players has fallen.

These are worrying times to be an Arsenal fan, I'm quite a positive supporter, always have been, but one must always ask questions and keep evolving in order to improve. We are going the opposite way and Wenger needs to be challenged on some issues, if there is a way of getting Dein back on board it should be explored as he has Arsenal in his heart, is an intelligent man and would be a massive plus.
It's not all Arsene's fault of course, our board are a pretty pathetic bunch and have to carry the can also for the current situation.

Anyway, good win hopefully 2moro and that will help some of the new guys get a taste for winning. I want to see Park get a run out and Oxo.

 

I say it's impossible for Arsenal to finish ahead of Man Utd, Man City and Chelsea until 2013/14 at the earliest, whether fans will accept that is a different argument but those who want ready made solutions to our problems should know that they'll come with huge pricetags and I wouldn't support spending £100m+ when in the current climate (along with what we have already) that may only be enough to get us 4th spot again.

 

I wonder if I could phrase that differently and pose a question to members and supporters about how they would feel about the club being in a second or even third tier of the Premier League. Unless we stop the rot, that looks like our destination since it appears that every team out there now is a tough proposition for us. There are of course several ways to stop the rot but the one that rests with Arsene Wenger requires his acceptance that he needs to make changes which would include bringing in someone to help him. I'm just not that sure how open he is to changing his approach.

 

Football is a results based business. Past glories count for little if results go against you.
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My guess is if we are in the bottom 3 at christmas, he will be moved upstairs and a new coach appointed in the transfer window.

My choice would be Martin ONeill.

 

As caretaker or on a more permanent basis Mr T and was your above decision based on candidates who were available?


And would you consider a manager who was already in a post, say someone like Gus Hiddink?

 

I always thought he'd make a good manager for us, whats going on with him that not working now and the sacking at Villa does not inspire confidence?