No VAR Table

This is how the league would look of there was no VAR.

1. Liverpool - 31pts (-)

2. Manchester City - 27pts (+2)

3. Chelsea - 24pts (+1)

4. Leicester City - 20pts (-3)

5. Arsenal - 18pts (+1)

6. Wolves - 17pts (+4)

7. Sheffield United - 17pts (+1)

8. Bournemouth - 15pts (-1)

9. Brighton - 15pts (-)

10. West Ham - 15pts (+2)

11. Manchester United - 14pts (+1)

12. Aston Villa - 13pts (+2)

13. Crystal Palace - 12pts (-3)

14. Tottenham Hotspur - 12pts (-1)

15. Burnley - 12pts (-)

16. Everton - 12pts (-1)

17. Newcastle - 12pts (-)

18. Norwich City - 7pts (-)

19. Watford - 5pts (-)

20. Southampton - 5pts (-3)


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This assumes the games would have continued exactly how they have turned out. A bit pointless as some of those game dynamics would change with different decisions so the end results would be different.

 

I agree.

 

Where's the no PGMOL table?

 

So Leicester and Palace have benefited most. Oh and Southampton

 

Have you posted that on the PL board? Might shut a few people up

 

Of course I have.

 

To be fair we can only really improve by 2 points regardless

 

I bet they're all saying it's wrong aren't they? One example the Everton/Spurs game wouldn't have had a different outcome because the two VAR decisions stuck with the referee. Take VAR away and the refs decision still stands so whether or not his decisions were correct, the end result would be the same.

 

There are those who think it's ****. They may well be right tbf as the game dynamics change depending on the decision. It's interesting though.

 

We've had some wrong decisions after VAR was involved but that's not what that table is about. The utd game, for instance, play should have been stopped when Origi was fouled, it wasn't and they scored but without VAR the goal would still stand because the ref gave it. Which is why we aren't showing as VAR taking 2 points from us, it didn't, the ref did.

 

The thing is you can't start adding other variables in when it's simply a 'no VAR' table.

 

True. It is what it is.

 

#robbed

 

I'd like to see a table of how many times per team VAR has been used. I can't think of too many for us.

I'm trying to work out what needed to have happened those teams who have gained from VAR.

 

It's probably out there somewhere.

 

There are stats for everything and those who come up with things like this table keep a running list without going through every match report which is what we would need to do. Only 11 games, I may go and have a quick look to see how often our games have had VAR calls.

 

Does anyone remember The Right Result? They basically said every time the ball hit somebody's arm in the Liverpool box, or any borderline offside that went for Liverpool ,was wrong and produced a table accordingly, with Liverpool on about 12 less points. Andy Johnson punched the ball in against Sunderland to give Everton a 1-0 win: somehow that was still deemed 'accidental', and stood. Surprise, surprise - in their table Everton finished one point ahead of Liverpool.

No matter how scientific and dispassionate these metrics pretend to be, the bias of the operator will always shine through, as with Atkinson's preposterous decision against Bobby at Villa, and the timidity of the VAR refs on not overturning Atkinson's decision to favour the cheque in the post from United over his own eyes looking at the incident from five yards away when Origi was blatantly fouled in the build-up to Uniturd's goal.

 

every time a goal was scored in our PL & CL games .

 

BTW, had there been no VAR would we not have been on 33 points, as Mane's handball goal against Uniturd would have stood?