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Discussion in 'Leeds United' started by MIGHTY, Oct 1, 2017.

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Should there be a second Brexit vote

  1. Yes

    30.3%
  2. No

    58.8%
  3. Dont know

    0.8%
  4. Its too late

    1.7%
  5. Ell rulz

    0.8%
  6. couldnt give a fook

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  7. Will WJ ever see whats hitting him smack in the face

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  1. dbc

    dbc Well-Known Member

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    Yes Labour were in power - and you'll notice I didn't assign blame to a political party but to ministers and public officials . This was a plague on both your houses but it was most definitely the fault of politics and politicians.
     
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  2. Eric Le Merde

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    I agree the death side of these sort of tragedies should be treated with respect. The fundamental issues behind why combustable cladding is permitted to be installed on buildings is an issue though. Fire compartmentalisation is enshrined in building design so small fires are able to be contained in one section for several hours without spreading allowing the fire brigade to get to the incident and deal with it. This type of cladding allowed the fire to jump from one compartment to another unhindered and with such intensity that there was a chain like reaction. How is the UK going to address this issue as there are obviously other buildings clad in this material? In NSW over 400 buildings have been identified with this type of combustable cladding.

    Basically it's not a political issue it's, in my opinion, greed and making money by developers or cutting corners by self certifying builders. I suppose politics comes in when you get to the law makers but in this instance I think technology went ahead of regulation, as it sometimes does and unfortunately it needs an incident for the rules to catch up. For those who are interested refer to progressive collapse in tower blocks.
     
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  3. dbc

    dbc Well-Known Member

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    https://theconversation.com/grenfel...ians-still-havent-been-held-to-account-126164
     
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    I think I can agree with all that.The only thing I would add is that the guilty culprits I.e. The so called professionals
    Should have the full weight of the law thrown at them
     
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  5. Eric Le Merde

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    OK I see what you're saying. If I read you right then given that a similar incident happened some time before then there was time for the rules to be reviewed and actions taken. We also had an incident where cladding burnt but it wasn't a disaster and the regulations weren't amended. There now is however a legacy in the housing/commercial building stock that needs to be addressed and rules need to be developed to prevent this happening in the future. I assume this is happening in the UK it certainly is here but there is still the question about who pays for all the remediation work.
     
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  6. Eric Le Merde

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    This is the crux of the argument here at the moment. The "professional" are saying that they complied with the regulations but the authorities are saying as "professional' they should have been aware of the issue or at least considered the consequences of using new cladding materials.
     
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  7. Alf Hooker

    Alf Hooker Well-Known Member

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    He's a swivel eyed progressive lefty nutjob, expect nothing less<ok>
     
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    In my book hiding behind regulations is not good enough professionals are employed to get things right if they have any doubts they should make these doubts public the book should stop with them
     
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  9. Eric Le Merde

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    Indeed, I agree, the law though is an ass.
     
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    Apologies was leaving work and meant to say have a read of this rather than just leave it there as my reply but hit post.
     
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    My post wasn't at all political, Tuppence, just opinion, but the chances of anyone of any political consequence be they state or local officials being found guilty of any dodgy dealings with underpriced products is, you will agree, pretty remote, regardless of their personal political affiliations.
     
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    And that’s where the system breaks down
     
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    FORZA LEEDS Well-Known Member

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    Tom Watson quits as deputy leader of the Labour Party.

    Despicable nasty vindictive **** who fiddled his expenses, made false accusations against innocent men re sex allegations and has jumped before being pushed. 35 years a MP taking money from the public purse whilst fiddling expenses.

    The traitorous remoaner knew he’d be voted out of his West Bromwich East seat at the next Election so has left the sinking Marxist ship while he could.

    **** off and die you Left wing ****.
     
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    2020VisionofLeeds Well-Known Member

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    Apart from that though, good guy?
     
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    He is a **** of the highest order and the soppy bastard calls himself a feminist the ****ing prick, but I do think some of those 'innocent ' men were indeed kiddy fiddlers, establishment cover up <ok>
     
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    Does this count as toilet humour? <whistle>

    please log in to view this image
     
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  17. brisbane-lion

    brisbane-lion Well-Known Member

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    <laugh><laugh><laugh><laugh>:emoticon-0148-yes::emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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    brisbane-lion Well-Known Member

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    Sounds very macho to me. :emoticon-0165-muscl
     
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  19. Eric Le Merde

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    tlWYP9q-1.jpg You instead of We obviously
     
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  20. OLOF

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    When did true facts ever get in the way of your narrative?
     
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