OT Player wages compared to solider wages. (Joining the OT band wagon)

What a stupid thing to say. We torture P.O.W's on some occasions, we rape there women sometimes. We can't allow that to happen. And I fully weel expect the people who "Protect us" to uphold some basic human treatments. What was the point in fighting the Nazi's in world war 2? There are reports of us torturing BELIEVED terrorists to get answers out of them. Shooting innocent people in the street. Destroying businesses. Then we say, we can't expect them to behave themselves..pfft.

What's the point in the government stopping such actions, if normal everyday people will defend the soldiers anyway?

 

You're missing the point!!!

I'm saying, if the government is going to let anyone join the army, then they can't complain when things like this happen.

They should choose the people who are going to become soldiers more carefully, instead of expecting anyone that joins the army to shape up and act properly.

You totally got the wrong end of the stick to what i was saying.

I think we should behave in a certain way. I don't think we should allow prisoners of war to have a cushy, comfortable stay in a P.O.W. area, but i don't think they should be tortured. What i'm saying is if you want soldiers to behave well in the army, you need to pick who joins the army properly, instead of letting anyone join.

 

But they're heroes! Who get paid for their work fighting unnecessary wars with innumerable civilian 'collateral damage' in the quest for oil and power...

"Since September 2001, terrorism has killed 4300 civilians, the war on terror has killed more than 2 million civilians."

 

But the people who want to join the army. I'm talking about the majority have got weak minds, and get twisted and turned to love causing others pain. I personally am anti military. The military is mostly an evil organisation, and I feel that no matter what kind of person you are, if you're trained to kill, and watch innocent people and friends get blown up, you're going to be a bit touched. And they usually are. We can sit here and blame the government recruiting policy, but the nature of war causes these problems. Not the government. I know too many people of my age who want to join the army because it's like cod. They're morons. I often hear "I want to kill sand niggers" it's dirty and horrible, very sick people. But in the military they'd fit in.

In all, the military is wrong. And you're going to defend it because you thought about joining.

 

I agree. Armies should only be used for self defense, or protecting the innocent.

I'd like to think that we'd go into a country to fight against bastard dictators treating his people like ****, but i have no doubt really that our army is in Iraq mainly for the oil.

 

i'm so glad to be reading these opinions! I thought I was the only one!

At work once I got bombarded with abuse after defending footballers income when the subject of soldiers & footballer's income was discussed. It's incomparable!! as previously stated that footballers get paid by businessmen within an industry of sport (aka entertainment. just like Film for example). Soldiers are paid by our taxes.

I had a large group of ignorant people giving me s**t for defending footballers. Intelligent people too! they don't seem to comprehend the technical sufficiency required of high standard footballers, something that only someone born with who perfects such abilities throughout an entire youth can achieve. f****** idiots.

Additionally I must concede that I am anti-military, but without it (as proven by hitler <--doesn't even deserve a capital 'h') we'd be in turmoil.

 

Thank you sir!

 

Another **** article Raylor, what next are you going to compare the St johns Ambulance and the Red arrows ???

 

It's far far easier to become a soldier though to be fair.

 

This. If they got 50k a week everyone would be in the army.

 

It's actually not, because it is a good point. The amount of people that believe they deserve to be paid more than footballers is beyond ridiculous. You don't see many soldiers complaining about their salary do you? Of course everyone would like to be on Footballer's wages but to get to that position involves a lot of dedication and desire, to be a soldier all you have to do is apply and hope to get picked. Also considering there is far less footballers in this country compared to soldiers it's not like a majority are getting paid more than soldiers is it.

 

Nobody ever questions arseholes that can't act getting millions for getting their tits oot either.

 

"As long as the people who kinda wanna go kill other people are going to go kill other people who kinda wanna go kill other people, you're killing all the right people and opening up all the best parking spaces."

- Sir Douglas of Stanhope

 

How much do you think the government's pawns should be paid? It's a shame that, in general, young, poor, naive men are manipulated into believing their fighting for good, when instead they're fighting for resources and business contracts, and all of the UK is supposed to support these "heroes". **** the world.

 

I don't know any soldier who thinks they should be paid more than a football player, the comparison is usually used because of the astonishing amount of money that some footballers get and the way in which some of them again squander their money, this is also compared with firemen, nurses and anyone else in a vocational occupation that provides a vital service, TASH is a 2 faced arse as he has posted threads asking if he should join the army and playing up to those that have served in the forces, as for the notion that it is the Government that pays for the army this just shows how young and niave some of the posters are on here, it's the tax payer that pays, that's the ones of us that pay tax. As for some of the other nonsense spouted on here you are entitled to your opinion but remember that the right you enjoy has been fought for and people died to ensure that, the decision to fight is political not made by the armed forces they serve on our behalf.

 

My view is people choose to be in the army and know the pay, risk etc when they join. I don't see why they should get special treatment. I think the glorification of the army is based on past wars more than anything. In world war one and two, you had conscription, you had no choice but to join. Sure those guys were serving their country despite not really wanting to, to protect our nation and others from a tyrany of evil. They deserve respect and should be glorified. Now current soldiers also deserve respect but they are fighting a different kind of war altogether. They may be doing innocently, but they don't have to be there if they don't want to. They weren't forced to. They chose that life. I think they probably are underpaid but there is no correlation to be drawn with what a footballer earns. Footballers are overpaid and I'd introduce a salary cap but I don't see what it has to do with what a soldier eanrs. They've chosen different career paths full in the knowledge what each entails.

 

I was making a point that you don't hear any soldiers complaining about their salary, I used the word many just in case someone on here has heard of one who had. I agree they squander it far too much and in comparison shouldn't be paid as much, however with the industry it's in and the private owners, if they're willing to play that sort of salary for them then just like every single one of us they're bound to accept it. Tash is indeed 2 faced in this argument as I remember that thread where he asked. Their pay is indeed more than likely paid by tax payers, a tax however implemented by the government because as a country we're too skint to do otherwise. Everyone on here is entitled to their opinion, some are bound to differ on this issue as is always the case. It's not an argument I enjoy, because it's one that will never be won by either side, however, I fully respect any other person's opinion on the issue as it's their decision not mine. Also I never said it was the armed forces choice to fight, I said it was the soldier's choice to join up.

 

the original poster asked for people who know about football to comment, cos he was sick of comparisons between different jobs and wages.

i don't know if he was asking for opinions from supporters as i can guess there aren't many pro players signed up to this forum to comment about what they get paid.

my opinion is that salary's now are ridiculous, but that is the going rate so its up to each owner of a club, what they are prepared to pay.


There are however lots of opinions on here by people who have clearly not been in the army.
As pointed out on here i volunteered to join and the salary i was on was not important, I did not join for the money.
I was lucky enough to serve in some really unpleasant places, because this was the opportunity to put all the training into practice.

it represented the pinnacle of your job (a comparison to a player winning the champions league or world cup i guess).

i have never known any soldier glorifying death or brag about killing anyone (thats only in films lads!)
also the word "hero" is hardly ever used.

in the real world a hero was someone who 9/10 risked his own life to SAVE a mate not kill an enemy.

as someone stated on here "its just a job and somehow we have to give them respect for it" - i give respect to people (not jobs or roles) who deserve it.
i do not like the use of the word "hero" in a sporting context as it's overuse just degrades the word.
Not everyone who dies is a hero.

some on here who say they are anti-military, well the military of days gone by have given you that right and you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, i am not going to critisise anyone.

in the army, soldiers try to break a leg to get into any action, i have seen the faces of people who have not made it and they are gutted. (as opposed to breaking it to avoid action) not because they want to shoot anyone, but they want to support their mates.


i consider myself lucky that since leaving i am not a homicidal maniac intent on turning myself into a civilian killing machine, as some on here have that opinion that what training you receive, does not include a bit about when and when not to use it and a big switch that you flick when you leave, that tells your brain you cant do that anymore.

i will admit that my service has de-sensitised me just a little bit.
i do not have any mental problems (although i,m told i,m not very emotional) except when shopping in supermarkets, where occasionaly i do want to kill someone who wont move their trolley.

so if anyone sees a brian dennehy lookalike in asda coming towards them with a trolley - you have been warned!!!!



rant over