Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

No deal it is then, these cretins will bring it on themselves.
For me that is the perfect result.
31st we walk and finally get our country back under British leadership.

 

Ok RR - but look what ‘leadership’ we have got - none of them are fit to run a candy-floss stall at a church fair in my book - but they want to lead us in arguably our most important event since WW2. FFS we have a choice between a buffoon scarecrow wannabe Churchill and a terrorist-loving communist who hates Britain and all we stand for.
I suppose out of the 2 the buffoon just about edges it for me but my God what a f-Ing awful shower of utter utter ****e we have in charge of shaping our future place in the world community.
God help us.

 

Spot on. If Labour get their way, they will want either Boris's deal or remain as the 2 options they do not want no deal to happen.

 

Why on earth do I have to articulate my idea of democracy? Why are you absolutely incapable of addressing points without going on a massive tangent?

You'll happily criticise this research which doesn't fit your agenda but won't explain why. But Cliftonville thinks it's invalid, therefore it's invalid. You may avoid opinion polls but if you were someone who was clearly unbiased I might respect that. As it goes, I couldn't give one.

Please, tell us in your not-so-expert opinion what is flawed with this meta-analysis of over 200 polls.

You're probably right, but I'm pretty damn certain YouGov are competent enough to account for something as simple as this.

Another post-referendum leaver lie which has become accepted as truth I'm afraid. Polls showed it being neck-and-neck, which it turned out to be. YouGov actually got both of those predictions correct.

I'm not going to properly address your final point, it's been done to death. But you're quite right, a 3-way vote would be a total mess just as the first was.

 

errr I pointed out about Britain being a representative democracy!! The party in power was voted in and vowed to uphold the referendum which again was another democratic vote. disagree???

 

Fair play to him, but this deal doesn't actually deliver anything that you guys say you want from Brexit. Does it?

 

Do you know what Rob. Personally I’ve no idea what I want anymore, I just know I don’t want another referendum , it would only confuse things even more. The other thing I don’t want is revoke article 50

 

Rob, do you think Labour will look to force a GE now, they’ve been saying as soon as no deal is off the table end of Oct they would, providing rumours from EU come through to agree to an extension surely that’s put paid to that?

 

Election and be done with them

 

Because posters are questioning what your understating of democracy is and it is unclear.

I have not. I have answered your points on;

1. Democracy
2. Polls

I have and will do so for the second time.​

Rude consistently ..

I did not claim to be an expert but I believe those on the politics show were. Their points were about who commissioned the research, a statement that was factually incorrect calling into question the validity of claims and how questions were formed - Polls show Boris Johnson ahead in the polls but polls also show the Remain vote faring well. If questions were restructured would almost certainly not occur as it is illogical.

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Interesting.
Although these pols are not exact, they predict a surge for the Lib Dem’s (the Remainer vote) and a slide for Labour, but with the Tories winning. This more or less pictures what my prediction would be if we held a GE next week. I can see the Lib Dem’s taking votes from both the main parties but overtaking Labour and becoming the official opposition party is unrealistic - I think they will stay in 3rd place but with many more MPs than they currently have.

 

You can be as certain as you like but the fact is, not every person have voted in those polls. There will b duplicate votes too. There is be votes from people who are not allowed to vote in a real election or vote, like under 18's and people living abroad etc. Therefore polls are always pointless and meaningless.

 

Nope. I'm with Farage now. No deal Brexit.

I would only support another referendum if the options were....

1: Boris's deal
2: No deal

We've had a referendum already which leave won. Now we have a deal arranged to withdraw from the EU with the EU. So I am up for going back to the public for another vote on how we actually leave, so we can implement the first referendum result and therefore uphold democracy. Either Deal or no deal. Simples.

Remain should not be an option as that lost in the original referendum and obviously that option would not implement the original decision meaning it's not a democratic option.

It really is that simple.

 

... but the vote was years ago. I agree it should have been honoured but so much water has gone under the bridge since the vote it’s arguably just as relevant (or irrelevant) to allow Remaining as an option, as it is to ask people to elect their government every 5 years. People change their minds - look at how many divorces there are!!!
I’m not a huge fan of another referendum by the way - but I can see the argument for including Remain as an option if there is one.......

 

So water's gone under the bridge in the last 3 years.
I am at a loss how this argument holds water, no pun intended.
MPs are the only reason, as the majority are of the same persuasion as you - Remainers.
And how much water has gone under the bridge since the vote in the 70's?
I lost in that vote but accepted the result. Remainers are an affront to democracy.

 

The reason so much time has passed since the referendum is mainly because the remain MP’s who lost have dragged their heals in the hope . as you suggest, they could argue the need for a 2nd referendum, it’s their tactic, to allow it to be successful would just play into there hands and deny democracy it’s natural course, I tend to agree with CJS , back to the people to decide Boris’ s deal or no deal is the fairest way forward. Unlikely to happen though.

 

I don't think it really is this though. Yeah granted, recently it is, but for the most part, it's because we triggered A50 with no plan. That's pretty much the reason - we've been incapable of agreeing anything and therefore we've had nothing to work towards. That's the fault of both remainers and leavers, no one in particular.

 

Any thoughts on the recent comments from the US regarding being unable to do a trade deal if we can't honour the GFA? I don't know enough about the US part of it (I'm familiar with the GFA) but from what I gather, no deal would impact this. With the US as the 'keepers' of the agreement, that would impact their ability to deal with us... or something along those lines.