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There is no case for keeping Unai Emery anymore

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by NLDISRED, Jun 6, 2019.

  1. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

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    I have tried to be patient. I have said that he needs time to imprint his mark on the team. But every single statistic I look at, every single time I watch us play, every single time I hear Emery's press conferences, I can't help but feel the bloke is totally out of his depth at this level.

    The quality of football is worse, the defending is still abysmal, we are bereft of creativity, the players reportedly find his training sessions 'repetitive' and 'boring', and we are struggling for goals outside of Aubameyang's insane efficiency. He has also completely frozen out a player that, though has declined somewhat, is still by far and away our most creative player. And upon further reflection, there is no way anyone can objectively argue he wouldn't have made some difference to our play yesterday.

    From a statistical point of view, here's how his first 47 games and Wenger's last 47 games compare:

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    According to Amy Lawrence, a journalist for The Guardian, we are actually -7 points and -9 goal difference worse off than we were in comparable league fixtures last season.

    Then there are even more statistics which really do portray how inefficient Emery's tactics are:



    For a manager that has a reputation for being tactically flexible, he has also shown symptoms of illogical stubbornness too. He is constantly telling players to play it out from the back when the opposition can foreshadow what we are going to do and they know exactly how to put us under pressure. There is no variety to our game. He made Xhaka captain, despite the impact his presence has on the speed of our play and his general rashness on the pitch.

    Previously, the argument favouring him was "when Bellerin/Holding/Tierney are fit, then we can judge him". The problem is, now those players are fit, and he isn't bloody playing them!

    It's been 16 months and he hasn't found his best 11 yet. It's been 16 months and he has not been able to give us a discernible style of play.

    I just cannot see how he will turn things around from here. And based on where we're heading right now, and the fact we have gone 3 consecutive years without Champions League football, I don't think we're in a position to "give him until the end of the season" if he continues to alienate players, over-rely on Laca/Auba, and struggles to get points.

    I think we need to get rid now before it is too late.
     
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  2. bobo_97

    bobo_97 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed!
     
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  3. NLDISRED

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    Sack him, give the job to mouhrhino we have the players to fit his style quick counter attacking footbal I'm willing to do a deal with the devil
     
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  4. NLDISRED

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    I've been saying this since he was appointed he's a Spanish David Moyes. He's not good enough for us I would appoint the devil himself mouhrhnio his style of play of counter attacking footbal will go with the players we have at the moment. He will jump at the chance to take the job as his family live in London, the money will be good and he can be the little horse again what he likes
     
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  5. NLDISRED

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    I hate to say i told you so, but am I right in saying the majority of arsenal fans want Emery out now ?
     
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  6. white_gunner

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    I dont think the majority want him out just yet. I think a low overall number actually want him sacked, and an increasingly more want him to leave at the end of his contract (this summer) and not get the third optional year.

    For me, its clear he is not the long term answer; he hasnt really improved this team, and may not even achieve his primary target of getting us in the champions league at least ONCE. If he were sacked, I would be ambivalent toward it, but Im not angling to get him out per se.
     
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  7. PINKIE

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    He should be judged at the end of the season. His objective is to get us top 4 and champions league football. If he fails, then we should replace him.
     
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  8. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

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    Ok, let's not go that far <laugh>. In the same way that Wenger wasn't good enough in his final few years, and Emery not being good enough now, we can't let Mourinho become our manager. He has a history of falling out with players, his style of play is ultra defensive, he never assumes responsibility and his shelf life is 2 years (max). He has clearly declined as a manager in his latter years. It isn't in our interest to hire a dour, old-fashioned manager like him. We need someone relatively fresh, who is progressive and has innovative ideas, gives everyone a chance, and can play attractive football whilst improving us defensively.

    There are several options out there who would do far better with the resources at their disposal than Emery has.
     
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  9. PINKIE

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    Emery should be judged on whether he gets us into the top 4 and Champions league this season.
    That's the objective he's been given and if he can't then he should be replaced.
     
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  10. BrunelGooner

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    Whether we get top 4 or not, whether we even win the Europa League or not, I want him gone irrespective of the outcome. Unless he can show to me that he won't misuse players, he won't treat them badly, that he won't be ultra conservative in his approach, improves our defence and he can play good football that's easy on the eye. Right now, we are so far off achieving any of those things, I am struggling to see any value in his appointment.

    If you look at Emery's track record at how he dealt with these situations during his time in Spartak Moscow, PSG and - to a lesser extent - his final season with Sevilla (no away wins for the entire season, finished 7th), the things British journalists are writing about him now are what local journalists in the other countries also noticed.

    He hasn't learned at all from his mistakes, which is the biggest red flag for me.

    The fact he has said on multiple occasions that we deserved to beat Sheffield United (we didn't) is extremely concerning if he genuinely believes that.

    To me, it seems like when he's at a club with low expectations/less pressure, then he can do well. If he's at a club with big expectations/high pressure, he struggles to deal with it.
     
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  11. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

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    At this point in time, I care more about substance than style. So if he gets us top 4 then he deserves to keep his job.
     
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  12. blukyt

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    We should replace him regardless in my opinion. What he is delivering is not good enough for the champions league anyway. We need better!
     
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  13. NLDISRED

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    I know mouhrhino is a twat but apart from man United he has done well everywhere he has been. Players who have played under him either love him or hate him and the majority love him he shields the players who deserve it. And in regards to conservative footbal that's Emery all over we might as well get the master at it
     
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  14. gooner4ever

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    Bump - currently losing 1-2 at home to a team I have never heard of

    #emeryout
     
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  15. TheBear

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    Emery is turning out to be the Spanish Tony Pulis unfortunately.
     
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  16. winifred122

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    Now that is a bit harsh - for starters, he doesn't wear a stupid shellsuit/cap combo....
     
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  17. TheBear

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    Why are we not playing Tierney and Bellerin? ...Rob Holding?!

    Under Emery we dont attack or defend well - and I personally think this squad is actually pretty strong.

    Worried we are going to waiste Aubameyangs best years under a manager who is clearly not of the top standard.
     
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  18. TheBear

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    Good Ebening. I heard he wears a shellsuit under his suit and tie.
     
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  19. NLDISRED

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    Tony Pullis would do a better job he has a clear style and sticks with it
     
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  20. TheBear

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    Realistically No. Emery's tinkering in annoying but has won us points on several occassions - hence the greater number of goals in the second half.

    The main issue for me is he picks a defensive team - Normally lacking in creativity then asks them to play in an attacking style.

    ...and his team selections have been someone baffling this Season. Overall he is a decent manager - good enough to get us Champions League but not good enough to challenge. Surely we sacked Wenger because we are looking to move forward? Emery is not an improvement
     
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