Off Topic OLOF's political thread

Is it just me that thinks that big heifer that leads the DUP is the dead spit of a young Robbie Coltrane - especially in profile?

Then again, Robbie was more in touch with his feminine side.

 

Firstly MPs are representatives not delegates. They aren’t obliged to vote how the majority of their constituents would want on any subject. Secondly, many think this deal doesn’t deliver on brexit and simply want a better deal for the uk.

Boris and Rees-mogg voted against Mays deal and then for it the third time. On which of the occasions were they being undemocratic? Are the hardline Brexiteers who voted against all of may’s deals in shameful contempt?

It’s been a hell of a mess but the people were asked a binary question to something that didn't have a binary solution.

 

TC said "IF" milky, not must or will.

You're right, MP's are representatives, representatives of the people, their constituents. The MP's job is to deliver, or make happen what the majority of their constituents vote on, not wage war against them, or defy their will.

A vote for or against is democracy at work, it is the right of all people, including MP's to cast a vote inline with their democratic choice or feelings, provided it is not for evil or corrupt purposes. If a vote is cast for evil or corrupt purpose, then it becomes treacherous.

The hardline Brexiteers have no need to hold their heads in shameful contempt, they saw what Treasonous May was up too, no good.

However, do you think those politicians who agreed to abide by the referendum result, and the will of the people, then stab the people in back should hold their heads in treacherous shameful contempt, preferably behind bars.

 

“The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what he thinks in his faithful and disinterested judgement is right and necessary for the honour and safety of Great Britain. His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate. Burke's famous declaration on this subject is well known. It is only in the third place that his duty to party organization or programme takes rank. All these three loyalties should be observed, but there is no doubt of the order in which they stand under any healthy manifestation of democracy.”

Would you agree with that statement LL? And do you need the difference between a delegate and a representative explaining to you again?

 

If you think they are doing that, then you are in coockoo land. Labour are voting to reject because they know they will get hammered in a GE if this goes through and the SNP are just trying to annoy the Jock population enough, to make them want independance. Think it will come back to bite both on the arse myself.

 

Disagree completely. The first duty of a member of Parliament is to do what they are f***ing told by the majority of their constituents

 

Discontent in Hong Kong, Chile, Barcelona, Paris any one asked the question why

 

you’re not disagreeing with me, you’re disagreeing with winston Churchill

 

OK so I disagree with Winston Churchill because he was wrong

 

Well Milky, think I'll take a very wild guess on this one........does a delegate delegate, and does a representative represent?.........represent not to be confused by giving twice.

Looks like you looked it up, and copy / pasted it from Wikipedia Milky. Shows you're actually doing your research, unlike some.

However, puzzle for you. Take away a country's constituents, and what do you have left?

When an MP does what it is right for the honour and safety of Great Britain, would that be just for the big block of land from John O'Groats to Lands End, or does it refer to the honour and safety of the people of Great Britain?

Also, do you think Churchill was referring to the people of Great Britain when he said it?

Churchill went on to say, "His second duty is to his constituents, of whom he is the representative but not the delegate"....................his constituents being the people who voted him in as their representative in their area, meaning, an MP's first primary duty is to do what is right for the Honour and Safety of Great Britain, which also means the people of Great Britain as a whole.

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That’s as bad an argument as the customer is always right. Take away this issue and it falls apart at the first analysis.

 

Why

 

No he wouldn’t he’d lose by about 9.

 

Because we’d have to have constant voting to inform our MP’s of what the ****ing majority want.

There’s potentially 4 amendments that may be added to a bill today - what do the ****ing majority want on those?

Are you prepared to vote on every legislation that goes before the house and every amendment?

 

MP's debating the Brexit deal in Parliament, it actually starts at 10-30 or-10-30..

 

The people have already been asked what they want and the answer was out of the EU a lot of MPs are not representing their constituents wishes but their own personal wishes, as for the labour MP's they don't seem to represent anyone just PLAYING PURE POLITICS, playing being the operative word

 

Yep there was a vote to leave the EU and people wanted to leave.

The fact that both ardent remainers and brexiteers are not happy with this proposal as to how to leave the EU should demonstrate that it’s not as easy as the referendum choice.

Since the referendum there was a democratic election where parties offered choices on how to leave and based on those results then Boris should lose today, however good chance he won’t so I wouldn’t complain too much about representative democracy.

 

I'm having a 60 gallon drum of Remain gripe water delivered today,if you remainers feel the need for some later let me know

 

The main reason that negotiations have proved so difficult is because too many MP's have refused to follow the will of the people. If they had accepted the will of the people we would have left years ago and with a good deal

 

What is the will of the people on how to leave?