Off Topic Politics Thread

No Confidence Vote, interim government, a single letter to Brussels. Plenty of time.

 

They believe everything they read on social media unfortunately

 

Britain has no shortage of idiots.

It has been said that a nation gets the leaders it deserves. Maybe that’s true .

 

IMO Corbyn has been very dignified in the face of non-stop barrage of criticism. Contrast his behaviour with that of mobster Johnson.

 

In Napoleon's time we were a nation of shopkeepers. What are we going to be in the next Century, then?

 

A nation of reality tv stars. **** ones.

 

Is this because the populous get most of their informatión From social media and not from analytical sources?

We are already.

 

Nope, total failure.
His stance on a general election has been clear for ages. Get No Deal off the agenda then have a general election.
Brexit. His stance has been the ONLY democratic way of solving the problem. Talk to the EU and agree a deal that ensures key issues, such as a customs union, climate control and workers rights etc and then let the public decide, as in vote for the deal or reject the deal and remain in the EU.
His manifesto clearly tells you which party is the only party concerned with the welfare of the people.
Everything you have put forward is no different from what I hear from people, who admit that they get their political views from right wing newspapers, who obviously have an axe to grind with a person who will go after them for tax avoidance, among other things.

 

I think Jeremy Corbyn is a good guy and as far as I know a nice guy. The problem as I see it is that under his leadership the far left has too much influence. I am not a party member but over many years have enjoyed friendships with many who are, some who have been elected councillors, some who have reached relatively high office. Things seem to differ from constituency to constituency. I've been told first hand of verbal bullying, physical threats in one constituency. A new experience for victims.
Given that my friends come from 2 constituencies it is difficult to gauge how prevalent undemocratic actions of the far left are. I also agree our gutter press will paint the party in worst possible light, however under Mr. Client's leadership they have had plenty of opportunities to sharpen their pencils.
Recently the Labour Party Conference meandered through mediocrity before then not allowing a card vote on the biggest issue of the day. A failure of leadership.
Yesterday, another Jewish MP. resigned from the Party.
Open goal after open goal missed, some ignored with a general election around the corner. A failing government 8% ahead in the polls, has it got something to do with the opposition 's leadership?
If Keir Starmer or Yvette Cooper were leading The Party I suspect Labour would be ahead in the polls and the feeling in the country more optimistic. Besides policies it is leadership that matters.

 

As you say, no shortage of idiots.
When you get poor people voting for a political party that has absolutely no interest in them, other than getting their x on a ballot paper, you can’t really argue with your comments.

 

A lot of political commentators are saying although Junker is says no extension it's likely to happen circumstances dependant of course. This from Sky's Lewis Goodall "About to get on a plane back but just on Juncker’s words on extension. EU source says: “It’s not in his gift to rule it out, he is just defending the deal and saying one shouldn't be needed...I am 100% certain EU27 would permit an extension if deal falls on Saturday.” Katya Adler BBC "Also Jean Claude Juncker does not have legal power to rule out extension. It’s a member state decision. It’s hard to imagine 27 EU countries categorically ruling out an extension while at this summit ... before they know if one might be necessary eg to get this deal passed". No deal has to be ruled out it's national self harm. Deal my well not get through without a referendum proviso hard to see how the EU could refuse an extension in that case. So many twists and turns more to come I'm sure.

 

A shop full of nationalists.

 

A nation full of ****s?

 

Happy Shopper racists?

 

How is that different than May's stance? Corbyn wants a bunch of crap the EU will never agree to, and when they don't.. then what? The EU will give him the same exit deal they gave May. Then he'll be caught in the middle of either convincing people to take the EU exit deal which is less than he promised and admit failure, or he'll have to drop all his demands and agree to stay which means he accomplished nothing. Either way, he'll likely be out of a job.

IMO, the only thing Corbyn has done is be smart enough to hang out on the sidelines and let May take the fall. The EU is not going to give you all concessions. You stay in under the current terms and of course as a member party they'll hear your ideas for changes but there's going to be no promises, or you can GTFO.

Johnson's deal is not fundamentally different than May's deal which is not different than any deal Corbyn would have gotten. You either vote to stay, or you vote to go. And if Corbyn won't commit to either one, then it's time for him to leave.

 

There's no way the EU would refuse an extension for a referendum. And almost certain they would accept it for an election.

I actually thought they would refuse the extension for May as there wasn't a clear course of action and saw that as a big compromise from the EU, that had said the extension was only for finalising details and such previously, that they didn't refuse it.

 

Corbyn wants to keep the UK in a customs union and the single market, which the EU would certainly agree to. These were Theresa May's red lines from day one, and the reason for all the wrangling over the Irish border issue.

 

Johnson’s and May’s deals don’t guarantee keeping us in line with the EU for workers rights or climate controls, whereas Corbyn would have made them a cornerstone of the deal. He also wants a customs union.
They are massively important and would have been agreed by the EU.
The Tories don’t want any of them which shows that the deal that Corbyn “would have got” is massively different from the Tory farce.

 

You clearly speak with no knowledge of what has been negotiated over the last 3 years. Corbyn’s deal wouldn’t have the self-imposed red lines which the May deal had, and which obviously the Johnson deal has. May ruled out a Customs Union and access to the Single Market, despite Vote Leave promising this would be in the deal before the referendum. Norway has access to the Single Market, Corbyn wanted a Customs Union added to a Norway-style deal, plus retaining the same freedom of movement of people, goods, and services, and the same workers rights as we currently enjoy. There is absolutely no reason why the EU wouldn’t grant those things to one of the largest economies in Europe. Theresa May only failed to get all that in her deal because she, not the EU, ruled them out.

 

I was talking to a GP recently and his opinion was to leave without a deal .......completely bonkers