Match Day Thread Tottenham Hotspur v Bayern Munich

Whenever we concede a goal or need one, all I see is Poch and his coaching team looking at a feckin' tablet.

Here's an idea... look at what's actually happening on the friggin' pitch!

 

Well done.

 

For five of the goals the scorer received the ball outside the area. Normally that would give a chance of less than 0.2 of a goal.

 

That was clearly a disastrous result and an overall terrible performance. BUT, if the team is as bad as people are saying, and that half or more of them should be binned, then I wonder how they managed to go toe to toe with Bayern in the first half? Indeed, we could have been more than 1-0 up before they scored. So, if Bayern are so good, then clearly we must have something about us to be on top against them? Added to that is the astonishing finishing displayed by Bayern, where I think a lot of the time a lot of those goals wouldn't have gone in, regardless of how good or bad the opposition were. So all I'm saying is that not only bad things count, so while we all react to a second half of monumentally bad proportions, lets remember that there was nothing to indicate such a result in the first half.

 

Agreed. I just watched my recording and it didn't change my opinion from watching it at the stadium. Up to 80 minutes we had had more and better chances. The Ndombele chance was the best of the whole match. It was actually Ndombele who was most at fault for their first two goals. He was too slow to close down for the first and had a chance to clear the second.
The pundits said we should have shut up shop but that really only applied to the last two goals.

 

Personally, I'm not junking the whole thing. We have some great players - Kane, Son, Ndombele, Sissoko and others.

However, their talents are getting lost with some recurring errors from on and off the pitch, that are well overdue being sorted. I don't think that Jan Vertonghen and Toby Alderweireld are done at this level. However, with huge gaps on our flanks and Harry Winks as our most defensive midfielder, good sides can take us apart. Really good teams are dismantling us completely.

As RCL pointed out, this isn't a one-off. It's happening regularly and if it isn't sorted, we are on a sharp decline.

 

Those of us that wanted more regarding transfer activity were told to focus on the new stadium and to be grateful that Spurs aren’t **** like they were in the 90s.

The fan base needs to be more demanding not less imo. If you want to be a top club then you need top club mentality throughout. Too many seem content to just be making up numbers.

 

I think that everyone wanted more transfer activity.

 

Generally Winks was ok. He broke up a lot of central play and mostly kept the ball when he got it. The last three goals all happened after Winks was substituted.
The full backs were more at fault for the goals....Rose's pass to Winks before the 4th left him in real trouble and Aurier got nowhere near Gnabry for the entire match. Sissoko and Ndombele didn't give them enough help though. We were not actually in a Diamond for the second half....442 until Dele went off and then 4231 and 4141.

 

Having witnessed the general psychosis of the club's Twitter fandom, I can confidently state that the club's fans need to be less demanding

What Spurs fans need to be is realistic: we're not as **** as we were throughout the Sugar Era, but at the same time we haven't magically become Atleti/Dortmund overnight, we're at a state between the two and because that can't be explained in three words nobody seems willing to understand the concept

 

i loath to intrude at such a time but since i find this whole XG stuff laughable i feel obliged to point out if you take seriously the 0.2 of a goal stat it surely assumes the player doesn't receive the ball in space just outside the box and is then allowed to run with the ball with barely a challenge before shooting.

 

I don't recall anybody saying that. The new stadium creates a lot of cash that can be spent on players.
I don't think spending money is a panacea though. Most transfers don't really improve the team. I could easily name a team costing 500m that would be bottom half at best.
My demands as a fan are for a long term plan to join the top 5 clubs in the world. I think we have that. In the real world there will be steps forward and backward on the way.

 

That's damning with faint praise. I'm a fan but against teams that are going to come at us and have the forwards to give us real problems, he cannot be our deepest lying midfielder. It's not in his game to play that role well enough yet. It may come but against Bayern with gaps on both flanks, he just got exposed.

As I said, I like him as a player but everyone has limitations and last night's set up did him and our centre backs no favours.

 

I've got no idea what it assumes. What I do know is that a player like Gnabry wouldn't normally score 4 goals from the chances he had, even allowing for our poor defending.
I don't take any statistics particularly seriously but they are certainly more helpful than any opinion including mine.

 

To be fair to Winks once he went off we had no one in centre midfield - I thought he was poor last night, needs to keep the game simple thats when he is at his most effective, trying to do a poor impression of Dembele by dribbling the ball out but then being caught was not helping us -

Whilst some may says that it was laudable to make what looked like attacking substitutions to try and get back into the game, finishing the match with Kane, Son, Lucas, Eriksen and Lamela on the pitch was frankly just an open invite to Bayern to run through us,an invitation that they gratefully accepted. The ramifications of picking up a team that has shipped 7 rather than 4 now fall squarely on Poch who I think got quite a lot wrong in the 2nd half last night.

 

Winks only lost the ball three times....the first time he was fouled, the second time Rose's pass left him with no decent choices and the third time he was under big pressure.

Your last point is a good one but logically a 7-2 defeat is no worse than a 4-2 one in terms of progression and our only chance of a point, which would have made a difference, was all out attack. I was happy to see us try and if the players understand the tactics correctly they shouldn't be demoralised.

 

Yep! When Pochettino goes full gung-ho, I cringe. It's the soft middle of yesteryear that we're all too familiar with. It NEVER works to turn a loss around. One CM on the pitch?!?
Silly. Plays right onto opponents hands.

 

I can't image the players (that actually care) would feel that way. Walking off the pitch losing 4-2 in a competitive match won't feel half as bad as losing a match 7-2 that we tanked.

Picking those players up won't be easy after that.

 

The outcome was horrendous but the only way to avoid it was to stop trying to score. Any player worth his place in the squad should surely be more demoralised by that choice.

 

Many on this board seemed happy enough that the stadium was being built while the team went stale.

His in game management is Sunday league standard, great coach and personality for players but when plan A doesn’t work then plan b or c usually fails.