Off Topic Climate Strike

How much info have you looked at about it?
I think if you do look into it then it is quite convincing actually.

 

Well you made several statements, I thought I'd covered them all. What was your point?

 

It's pretty bad, agriculture to feed humans accounts for a decent chunk of deforestation, while processing plants for packaging (which, granted, veg and vegan products also use) pump tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Nobody needs to go vegan or any ****, but lowering our meat intake is being encouraged by many healthcare professionals.

 

I don't think it's meat per se that's bad, it's the amount of it we consume and the environmental damage that's done to sustain that level (and increasing) of production.
Cutting back on red meat consumption isn't a difficult thing to do and it's almost certainly better for our health. And if it means swathes of rainforest don't get chopped down and methane gas emissions are reduced it's a triple whammy.
Also there are plenty of farmers out there who believe that less intensive farming methods and more scientific diets can make cattle much less demanding on the environment than they are now so red meat consumption could become a much more sustainable activity.

 

I suppose it depends where it is grown. You aren't going to produce any other type of food economically on a Welsh hill farm or the Peak District etc.so I dont see a problem with it. What you want to do is stop burning down the Amazon, but while there is cash in it for someone, I can't see it happening.

 

As things stand you're probably right however I have other issues with that in that I think meat has become too cheap, but that's another argument altogether...

 

Lets see if this will work

A news item caught our attention this morning that Lewis Hamilton has opened a vegan burger chain starting in London, ok.... so what?

The restaurant chain called Neat Burger is also backed by Tommaso Chiabra who was quoted as saying

‘The meat industry is the biggest contributor to greenhouse emissions and its environmental impact is no longer sustainable together with the growth of the population. Neat Burger aims to disrupt the non-sustainable food industry and become a force for good.’

Lewis and the team plan to expand the brand globally, with 14 franchises set to open around the world over the next two years.

So the business is starting on lies from the start.

Let's set this straight, the meat industry IS NOT THE SINGLE BIGGEST CONTRIBUTOR TO GREENHOUSE GASSES.

If they want to take that line let's look into Lewis Hamilton and Tommaso Chiabra.

Lewis Hamilton as we know is world F1 champion.

The sport’s concern for lowering its carbon footprint is nothing more than greenwashing. While the powers that be are busy patting themselves on the back for taking action to protect the Earth, each of the 10 teams in Formula One spend almost as much time in the air and they do on the ground.

They each lug between 50 and 100 tons of cars, spare parts, and equipment to each of the 21 races on the calendar, covering more than 110,000 air miles every year. That teams don’t just travel with cars and mechanics. They bring ostentatious mobile headquarters and hospitality centers with them everywhere they go to impress local dignitaries and their high roller sponsors.

110,000 miles times 10 teams equals 1,100,000 miles. A 747 burns 5 gallons of jet fuel for every mile it flies. That’s 5.5 million gallons of jet fuel just to fly back and forth to races. Add in another 25% to get to testing venues, promotional events, and other special activities and you’re up to almost 7 million gallons. And that still doesn’t account for emissions from the factories, wind tunnels, and the 300 to 600 employees each team employs.

A gallon of jet fuel creates 21 pounds of carbon dioxide when it is burned, according to the Energy Information Agency. 21 pounds times 7 million gallons equals a staggering 147 million pounds of carbon dioxide just so Formula One can bring “the show” to fans all over the world. The cars could be powered by pixie dust and Formula One would still be one of the biggest polluters on Earth.

Hardly seems like an environmentalist.

So what about the other partner Tommaso Chiabra, well he also makes a living from brokering super yachts, possibly the next least greenest thing after F1.

A typical 100ft superyacht uses about 400 litres of fuel an hour or to put it another way, 0.1 miles/gallon.

Both these guys own or at least use private jets so please don't listen to any more BS about them backing a vegan restaurant to save the planet.

They are in it for the money and the vegans are queuing up to hand over their cash.

 

Well you didn't have any problem seeing that it was bullshit balkan tiger , if your point is about somebody
trying to use an issue to sell a product while not actually giving a **** about it really then yes , that happens quite a lot

How do you know vegans are queuing up to hand over their cash though ? How do you know they aren't thinking
what a hypocritical twat Lewis Hamiton is ?

 

I know Welsh Hill farmers and other UK producers of lamb would certainly agree with you. Maybe we should ban imports of meat from countries who conduct deforestation, eg Brazil

 

Not my words mate, just those of an angry livestock farmer struggling to make a living who see's some irony in it. By all means open a veggie restaurant but don't try telling us it's to help save the planet when your weekend job is burning a huge amount of fossil fuel and rubber, oh and then flying on to the next place to do it all again.

 

Read the replies on twitter and you'll see just how many blind sheep are lapping it up.

 

Fantastic post

 

A news item caught our attention this morning...
‘The meat industry is the biggest contributor to greenhouse emissions'

Really?, I'd have thought there might be a few in front, like the automotive industry and the petrochemical industry, but hey, what do I know?

 

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First of all I know you are not being serious, but there is so much mass hysteria out there it's hard to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

Here's a bit from the National Geographic on why the rain forests are being cut down.
"In Malaysia and Indonesia, forests are cut down to make way for producing palm oil, which can be found in everything from shampoo to saltines. In the Amazon, cattle ranching and farms—particularly soy plantations—are key culprits"

Cattle ranching often takes place after the land has been stripped of nutrients growing soya. There's nothing else that can be done with the land.
The easiest step forward to make would be to eat locally sourced food whether that be meat or plant based, why on earth are we importing lamb from New Zealand when we have loads of hilly grass grazing land that can't be used for other agricultural purposes?

Just to clear a question from earlier ( not from you ) i read lots about agriculture as it's been my livelihood for over 40 years.

 

And what percentage of the soy planting feeds said cattle?

 

I agree that the planet is going the wrong way but little nuisances like Greta Thunberg blaming all of us for all of this is gross hypocrisy!!!

Never had single use plastic when I was a kid,never had a phone,a computer,never got a lift to school,never got new trainers every month,never had a t.v in every room,never had McDonalds,Burger King,K.F.C and I certainly couldn't fly or sail around the world proclaiming war on previous generations......The word Humbug comes to mind!!

 

Hey, She's 16 and knows everything. They all do at that age! Any solutions to the problem forthcoming from her?
No?
Thought not