Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

Spot on Ashton

 

the deal on the table was negotiated at £39bn, in plain language that is "what is on the table is a deal they will not change, in that deal is an agreed aspect of £39bn" if we leave without a deal then they cant say "excuse me but we want the part of the deal that says you owe us £39bn" so no renege! that is pretty simple …
as a post script we are still paying our circa £1bn monthly subscription .. and not getting a lot back by delaying the process the undemocrats are costing us circa £35m a day

 

Indeed, They know there are other countries that do want out. Italy are one of them. So making an example of us to the rest of the EU is their plan.

 

They defiantly want out and will be next and the EU are acting like spoilt brats.

 

You've mentioned a few things there which what makes him corrupt to me. Switching parties showing no loyalty to party or to the people who voted him in based on his manifesto at the time. Refusing to accept a bi election after moving party to stand for his new party. He just wants power and is scared to lose it. He couldnt get it under Labour. He moved to Change UK. He became the leader of that party but after doing so bad in the Euro Elections, he jumped ship realising he had no chance of getting power as obviously voter won't jump for MP's who switch parties with bi elections. So no he has joined the Lib Dems, the party he promised that he will never join. He feels this party is now strong for him to get power and attention that he craves. He couldn't join any other party as those are not big enough or are pro Brexit. He is in it for himself to get a MP's wage and for nothing else.

 

Yep. You listed some big economy countries earlier who said they want a free trade deals with us. Very good news for us all! Yet as you said in the comment, the EU won't off this. Why? Because as already pointed out, they are throwing their toys out the pram and also trying to keep other EU countries in the EU.

Then today you got the prat Guy Verhofstadt going mad again, showing he has no love for the UK, who only wants to offer a bad deal to try and keep our economy in the EU to keep paying them billions each year. Here is a tweet of his today....

 

If we leave on no deal and we then set up all these great free trade deals with some of the biggest economies around the world, and get our feet in Africa (which is what we are already doing) early where they are growing their economy very fast right now, and our own economy begins to recover following our exit, other EU countries will see how good we got it where we have free trade deals with the whole world and not just Europe, I am positive that you will see other EU countries want to follow our example and will see referendums to leave or remain in their countries. The EU are desperate we fail and that's why they are still playing hard ball with us, than try and be a good partner for the future.

 

Here is goes again Guy Verhofstadt. Project fear this time, while again mocking Boris!

 

I disagree with his views , I find him arrogant and condescending, I dislike he changed parties without having a bi election , I generally don’t like him ,
But that doesn’t make him corrupt, as for just wanting an MPs wage he could have achieved that by staying a Labour MP, so that argument doesn’t stand up either.

 

Lol mate, most other people here make valid points, and it's a genuine debate/argument, but you just post **** you read online without even checking If it's true. Where are our free trade deals with those countries? It's utter bollocks.

Well it's now £33bn, as we've already paid £6bn due to the delays. The problem is, deal or no deal, it's a commitment.

Now I'm not arguing about whether or not we owe the EU that money. What I would ask is, if it is actually found that we legally owe that money (through the ICoJ or whatever), what does that say about us and our chances of getting a good deal with other countries, now that they know that as soon as things get tough, we'll just refuse to comply with our side of the deal?

This isn't a remainer v leaver issue, it's more of a moral one. I'm interested to hear where some of the more conservative here stand on it (i.e. not those who believe every Facebook post they see shared ).

 

We clearly have to pay what we are legally obliged, though I imagine there is likely to be a fierce debate about the exact figure, anything above the bare minimum is part of any negotiated deal, either during a orderly agreed period or if there is a no deal Brexit during the inevitable new agreement.

 

I don't think some on here actually grsp what WTO means to countries based in Europe most if not all EURO countries are in WTO and I HAVE POSTED THE GENERAL TRADING RULES OF MEMBERS ….. ON 2 OR 3 THREADS …. Will Pedro in Spain stop selling us oranges because we are out of Europe? I very much doubt it, what will it mean to him? just trade on same terms as he supplies Germany or Belgium! … under WTO rules ………
As for Italy well they would probably give them money to leave as they are one of the biggest sponges for handouts..

 

how do you work that out, is obviously your own unadulterated opinion / working out ...based on not having the knowledge to determine if it is true or false!
SO how do you work that out … 60/40 na

 

the rest of your post is very misaligned as you are confusing yourself with what you write and in what order, from what you cant really understand!
but I guess that is your voracious pirhanna attitude driving you

 

Rob, is correct, I think it's about 5.7bn we have paid since Mar 31st.. enough for over 250 new hospitals or 200,000 police, or 250,000 nurses....Just saying!!

 

Spain do not trade with Germany and Belgium under WTO rules! What on earth do you think the Customs Union is?

The estimate from the OBR (Office for Budget Responsibility) estimates that we have paid £6bn in the delayed period, hence we now owe £33bn. So no, JGF, not my unadulterated opinion, but more actual fact, which you struggle to find.

If you fancy some light reading: https://obr.uk/docs/dlm_uploads/Fiscalrisksreport2019.pdf#page=172

EDIT: Or roughly what Supcon and wiz have both posted. It's obviously an estimate but yes, roughly we owe about £33bn now. Even your fellow leavers are in agreement on this.

 

we wont be in the customs Union so trading in Europe will be via WTO ….

YOU STILL HAVE NOT TWIGGED IT and you ostracise RR ..
EVERY MONTH WE ARE IN THE EU WE HAVE TO PAY OUR MONTHLY DUE!
WHAT IS IT ABOUT THAT YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND? we haven't left yet ..... that's what all the hassle is about that is why there is court cases … threats to hold country to ransom by WOMBLE...CORBOLLIKS … and sod Paddy Swinston .. MP'S SWAPPING PARTIES OR STARTING NEW ONES …. like umba buma chumba!
if you fancy some light reading go back to the first documents post referendum and start reading.. you will probably have finished by the time CITY have won the premier league, FA CUP and had a record crowd in the future 35,000 seater Stadium … in there you will see a paragraph that says... as part of the agreement the UK will pay £?bn ……. another bit will say until the day you leave you will continue to contribute £?bn monthly ...also if you were not so choosy about replying so hastily, and often agreeing with what you disagreed with or vice versa you might read on various posts that comments regarding these issues have been posted.
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Wiz, this table shows what we should pay of the £39bn agreed to cover ongoing commitments that's why toward 2060 we are still paying
In the financial settlement (the settlement), the UK and EU have set out how they will settle their outstanding financial obligations to each other, which arise out of the UK’s participation in the EU budget and broader aspects of the its EU membership. The media have labelled the issue the ‘exit bill’ or ‘divorce bill’, the EU see it as a matter of ‘settling the accounts’.
The settlement sets out the financial commitments that will be covered, the methodology for calculating the UK’s share and the payment schedule.
The settlement was agreed politically by the EU and the UK in a joint report following the first phase on withdrawal negotiations. It was then turned into legal text in the Withdrawal Agreement (WA), which will become legally binding only once approved by the UK Parliament and the European Parliament.

Definitive figures of the settlement can’t be calculated as it depends on future events, such as future exchange rates and actual EU budgets, but estimates have been produced. The latest estimate is that the settlement could cost the UK around £33 billion, based on an exit date of 31 October 2019. This is lower than the widely cited estimate of
£39 billion, which was based on an exit date of 29 March 2019. Delaying Brexit means that the UK makes more payments to the EU as a Member State but fewer through the settlement. The net effect for UK payments to the EU is zero.

The EU has established a contingency measure that, should the UK agree to it, would leave the 2019 EU budget largely unaffected by no deal. The UK would have to agree to continue to pay into the budget and in return would continue to receive funding from it. The contingency is seen by the EU as a way of minimising disruption [ to them for lack of income ] and facilitating an alternative financial settlement between the EU and UK. [ they have THE leverage ]
In your graph's the key word is "estimates" it could be more it could be less …. in any case this is the least of our worries we need to be out deal or no deal

 

Just seen on the BBC a whistle-blower doctor on a street in Birmingham telling us of medical shortages if we end up with a no deal.
The BBC love project fear.

Why doesn't the BBC highlight that it's the bargaining position of the EU.
Why don't they ask Brussels - are you really trying to blockade the UK?
Is that the official EU position to impact the health of ordinary UK citizens?

All my parents would say - Hitler tried to blockade the UK 80 years ago.
We got through it then and we will again.