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Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by Red Robin, May 23, 2019.

  1. Oldsparkey

    Oldsparkey Well-Known Member
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    We can cope with it, we're not used to tarmac anyway.....<laugh>
     
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    off of the MAIN roads pretty grubby covered in sheep poo with sheep making very good chicanes... the odd dead one every few miles about 3 times normal size! and the roundabouts /junctions off the MOTORWAY [Cardiff section 29 -33 ]is almost similar to the local corporation tip.. rivers running down the valleys have trees with massive plastic flowers [ or is it old bags and the suchlike] high water lines have enough plastic bottles drinks cans to last Schweppes amonth ….
     
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  3. Oldsparkey

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    Most of it comes down the channel with the effluent from you lot at the rate of 20 megaturds a second......<laugh>
     
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  4. RedorDead

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    Very well put apart from this bit.

    Over 80% of votes were for parties who said on their manifestos that they will implement the referendum result.

    Just because 80% of the votes were for those party’s does not quite mean 80% are now voting leave. Out of that percentage were people who vote for their party on other manifesto’s.
    Just using my household. My wife voted Tories always has done, but totally against Brexit. So even though I’ve never said which way I voted just for arguments sake say I voted leave. So out of that 80% you are now 50% of it.

    My question would of been if I was Rob, would be when would leavers or remainers admit they were right or wrong when we really know what is the true impact. Because in the cold light of the day none of us on here actually know as none of us can see the future. Forget what you’ve read or believe, that is the only true fact.

    Some leavers like it or not thought a big ship would arrive to deport those Jonny foreigners and a big wall would appear round the country, also remainers predicted armageddon.
    We are like it or not playing with the unknown. I see people saying it’s like America declaring independence from us lot. But that was the past and things change so we need to stop comparing and admit we can argue to the cows come home. No one on this forum know what’s going to happen. We are all just speculating.

    Anyway as you were, get back to all your bickering <laugh>
     
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  5. ccfcremotesupport

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    Nothing wrong with a tractor and a flock of sheep.
    A nice hoby to have.
    Just shearing our ewe lambs.
     
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  6. johngalleyfan2

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    I know what you are trying to say [ your household is 50% ] it is part though of a much bigger total than 2 … you are actually 50/50 in a 80/20 …..
    part of the negative cancellation .. we both vote the same... except once when I voted Ukip she voted LD .. OUR constituency has LABOUR MP and is undemocratic ..also never replies to emails! obviously because the answer is against her belief
     
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    I doubt anyone of us would admit we were wrong. If Brexit happens, no doubt about it there will be years of trying to recover, even longer if we leave on no deal. So during these first few years of hurt, remainers will be saying "we told you so" and "you brexiteers were wrong" blah blah blah. But we won't be wrong because us leavers know there will be years of hurt following our exit. We've said this many times.

    But a united strong nation, both sides doing their bit will make a quicker recovery. I truly believe that. But I also truly believe that remainers won't unite but will continue to protest and continue to divide the nation, which won't help and will only make the pain go on for longer. As I honestly believe this, and as a result, I could just say "well there is no point leaving because the remainers will make it extremely difficult".

    But for democracy sake, there is no chance whatsoever will I give up for those who couldn't accept they lost the referendum. And I don't want to compromise with them either. There hasn't been a referendum or election where the losers demand a compromise and winners accept to compromise. Leave won, end of. What next? A general election and say Lib Deb wins, will Labour protest because they didn't win? How many court cases will there be this time? All parties lie on their manifesto, so will there be legal battles from Gina Miller Because 1 party lied slightly more than another? Will the brexit party demand a compromise because they didn't win? So why should compromises happen this time? Because it was a close result? So what! Leave won and remain lost. However May tried to compromise with that crap deal but the remainers still didn't vote for it. Will the Tories demand another election because they didn't win?

    The thing is, with what has happened with this referendum and whats happened since, it has set up a ****storm for all future elections and referendums. Especially if brexit now don't happen. Because the losers of any election know if they protest hard enough and long enough, they will get their way. Democracy is dead. Instead there is over 600 dictators in parliament and they are all corrupt too.
     
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  8. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    What do you call 2 sheep tied to a lamppost in Cardiff?

    A leisure centre ;)
     
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    Being in my mid 50s, theres not many i havent heard.
    I like to maintain the stereotype though.
     
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    It will not be years of trying to recover... more like building a better stronger country more democratic with less rules about bananas … for our grand children

    Womble and fish face had not been in power more than a few months after Scotland voted to stay in the uk before they demanded a new referendum to leave ...what they do not advertise is the fact it is not a given would be automatically be part of the EU … and if they were and we were out they have one of the biggest longest borders of any European country … and to boot hundreds of miles has little or no habitation! SO IMAGINE HOW they would they border patrol that lot!
    I go to NW Scotland a lot, and the biggest worry up there is the coast, 1000's of small coves and uninhabited coastline... there is probably more "undercover customs and excise" than parts of down south!
     
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    I still believe there will be a deal, ultimately it’s in both sides interest. Sooner rather than later is best, keeping kicking the can down the road just puts off the inevitable and creates uncertainty.
     
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    I think a deal will be done but I would be quite happy with a no deal.
     
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    If we leave with no agreement then we would still trade under WTO rules, everything will still be available but subject to the tariffs imposed by the protectionst policies of the EU.

    'As an EU member, the UK is currently part of about 40 trade agreements that the union has with more than 70 countries. The government has signed continuity deals with some of these countries, the most significant of which is Switzerland.'

    “Most of the world trades with the EU on WTO terms. Do Israel, Singapore, India, Hong Kong and the U.S. really look like they are suffering as a result?”
     
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    I’m no expert , but even prominent Brexiteers seem to suggest we will be worse off, initially at least, without a deal.

    The problem I guess is if they give us a good deal the rest of the EU members may start wanting out.

    I’m convinced there will be one , but as you point out even if there isn’t we will survive.
     
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    This is the leavers dilemma, we are accused of being 'Little Englanders', 'Racists', of wanting to go back to the empire days, ruling the waves, what a load of old tosh, we are looking forward and planning for the future, a more global outlook as a trading nation, independent, self supporting, renewing old friendships and opening up new markets, leading to growth and expansion.

    Remainers are clinging on to the European vision of federalism, protectionism and being controlled from the centre, they don't have the confidence of self determination, they want to retain wearing their nappies and being led by their noses, told what to do and continue servicing and working for a shrinking market place, they want to go backward to 40 years of shrinkage, manufacturing closures and foreign ownership, they are not foward looking, they want to put us all into reverse.

    China, India and Asia is where the growth is, the America's, North and South is where the worlds biggest market is at the moment, Africa is fast becoming a vast market place, manufacturing, agriculture and natural resources of the future, even the Middle East and Russia are emerging, we need to be looking at all of those direction, the EU is nothing but a little blip compared with all of the rest but we could still be trading on even terms with them but for gods sake don't let us give up our visions and opportunties for a group of unelected buffers in Brussels,

    Let us leave and look forward to a absolute barnstormer of a future with confidence.
     
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    You know what I mean. It will be a tough few years to begin with. Even tougher if remainers keep protesting and not uniting after we've left.
     
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    I never really understood the racist card. We want to trade with the whole world, not just with Europe! Surely that's the opposite to being racist!
     
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    The racist card isn't to do with trade though is it to be fair, it's to do with those idiot leavers who voted pretty much based on immigration. Obviously the vast majority of leavers aren't those type of people, but those who do tend to hate immigrants/muslims/whatever, let's face it, probably voted for Brexit. Because they were under the illusion that Brexit would help reduce immigration and the like. People like to bring out the racist card because the high-profile right-wingers who are racist tend to get quite a lot of media exposure as a result of it.
     
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    A 2 minute clip from the late Tony Benn back in 2013. 3 years before the referendum.

     
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