Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

The point being the document highlighted what may have happen if measures weren’t put in place , it enabled the government to target areas that needed addressing, the government argument is it allowed them to target those areas so now the problems won’t arise.
Gove also stated he would release an updated version laying out what measures have since been put in place to address the perceived problem areas.

In short it’s an old document, we will release a new one shortly spelling out what’s been done to hopefully prevent any of the problems it highlighted from occurring in the event of a no deal.

It’s a bit like saying Rovers are non league, it was accurate some time ago , now they are L1.

 

Genuine question gents.

What would it take for you to realise that it may not be all sun and paradise after this?

You've had government reports. You've had independent reports. You've had experts all in general agreement. You've even had Brexiteers admitting it.

Does this not tell you that perhaps it's yourselves being ignorant and not us? Do you need it plastered on every newspaper? Do you need Nigel Farage to write it in blood? Honestly, I don't mean this rhetorically, what would it take? What is actually enough evidence for you to accept that this might not be plain sailing?

 

The governor of the bank of England does not fear Brexit and huge money men don't.

The way i see it, we will be in a far better position dictating our own rules.

 

Your missing the point Rob, as are Remain MPs , that debate has been and gone, they should be focusing on how we get the best deal, not whether we should be getting one at all. The rights and wrongs pros and cons whether they like it or not should be irrelevant. In that sense Boris is right we have to try and get a deal that will pass through Parliament or leave without a deal, with whatever that brings, if you accept that then sooner rather than later is best, constant delay won’t make it easier , uncertainty will only make matters worse.

 

you to stop repetitive comments in an effort to fuel your habitual need to reply to something you had addressed before in a slightly different mannerism that would be sun and paradise and nice pint of real ale to boot

 

Being an ex-pat means that I don't have to care or have an interest in what's going on with Brexit fiasco but none the less it hurts me to the core to see the division that it has created in my birth country. It has to be expected for the citizens involved to have varying ideas on how they think it will affect them and the country overall, but the savagery involved makes me seriously fear for the future of the country and it's peoples.

Politicians are spouting virtual hatred from their collective mouths and regrettably the people in the street are echoing the possible fiction being created by them to be the basis for their personal thoughts on Brexit. Someone compared it all to a Monty Python sketch and I reckon they are somewhat on the right track if you consider all the rhetoric spouted from the moths of the people who should know better.

Whatever happens, or doesn't happen, over the next few weeks it will obviously decide the future of the country in the long term and I hope the doubters on all sides will accept the outcome with grace, and if that is not acceptable then I suggest they take a look at what happens in countries that are well and truly divided.

Africa and the Middle East should give them a clue as to where division will lead you, but then again some people will never get the message.

Apart from that Mrs Lincoln how was the show?

 

****ing hell a sentence from JGF we can actually understand. I'm guessing you got somebody other than RR to write it for you.

 

Haha I going to Stoke have a good day we are leaving end off.

 

If you’re off to Stoke trust me RR I hope you have a good day too!

 

I prpbably should have been more clear when I put ignore and not just presume you would understand to ignore that comment. I apologise Maybe, just maybe I am human like you. I'm not happy with that but maybe it is the case

I am surprised you have stood down from this argument. Fair shout to you. You obviously still believe he lied but you've now saying it as an opinion of yours instead of a fact. That's all I was trying to point out

As for the longest prorogation in modern times, technically you are right. But you are missing the point that its actually only 4 or 5 days which isn't long at all when compared to previous prorogation's. The length of time took into account of the party conferences that each part has. It would be better for the public if each party actually held their conferences at the same time so they can get back to parliament to do their jobs. But they take it in turns annoyingly so nothing gets done in parliament during these weeks anyway. So its only just 4 or 5 days of actual parliament time being lost in reality.

 

its based on comments describing various attributes of your posting style, and the need to keep refuelling your habit .. the sentence is completely my interpretation of a few discussions over the past 2 Fridays….
another 3 hours to kick off and what a lovely day in the SW hopefully wont be to bad in the central midlands

 

par for the course lost so try's to win by default

had we not had Brexit then it is more than likely parliament would have stood down... however the bitter remainers suck up every little bit of opportunity to further their hurt at being on the losing side ..
we would have "voted not to prorogue parliament for our "freebie week of wine women and song" oh and of course a few hours of conference with free beverages biscuits cake and the suchlike ………. we are getting our cake and eating it... leavers paying!!!!

 

Exactly. I've said something very similar before. Yellowhammer was made a year ago, under May's lot. Since Boris took over, he has given yellowhammer to Gove to deal with. He has been working hard on it to get us ready for no deal, if no deal happens. Actual proper work being done to prepare for it. Details would have obviously changed from the original leaked document. That is just pure common sense. And Gove said, as you said above Ashton, he will release a new updated version shortly. He has only released the document few days ago because of pressure from parliament demanding it to be released. Where parliament is shut down, Gove can work on this new updated version and try to make no deal more of a softer hit on the UK, without parliament trying to ruin that work too.

When Amber Rudd quit and said over 80% of the Tory efforts are planning for no deal which angered her as not enough was being done to get a deal, Boris had to do this because May's lot hadn't done enough to prepare for no deal as she was kicking the can down the road for 3 years. Spending this effort on no deal is the right thing and sensible thing to do. Remember, the EU said they will grant the extension to 31st Oct but they won't grant anymore. Use the time wisely. What happens when Boris seeks another extension, as forced by parliament, but the EU reject this because we wasted the extension time as all the efforts were being thwarted by parliament? Summer recess should have been cancelled too as that's where we lost a lot of time. But then again, that would have given parliament more time to kill democracy further. We crash out on no deal. If the EU reject the extension, its important that we are ready for no deal. Its only weeks away. If this time wasn't spent on planning for no deal then their would be uproar from everyone. Its just common sense to plan for worst case scenario so we can be ready and prepared. Time is running out so more effort is needed to be ready. Of course effort is being made to get a deal with the EU in time too, even though parliament would like to try to convince you otherwise.

 

Very simple answer from me. What would it take? Absolutely nothing. I am a firm believer of democracy.

The facts...

• Parliament voted to let the public decide.
• The then PM David Cameron said the decision would be implement.
  
• The official leaflet sent to every household said this too.
  
• Leave won. Therefore, the democratic thing to do is to implement that decision.
  
• Parliament then voted to start article 50. So far so good for democracy.

All this in 2016. 3 years later, where is our democracy? Parliament is full of dictators, killing democracy and the funny thing is, they claim to be doing it on behalf of democracy!

People: (remainers that are both public and politicians) say...

• That was 3 years ago.
  
• People have changed their minds.
  
• We should have another referendum.
• We should just revoke article 50.

My response to that would be...

• The following year 2017, there was a GE.
  
• Over 80% of votes were for parties who said on their manifestos that they will implement the referendum result.

Now I'm no mathematician here but over 80% of votes to implement the referendum result is higher than the winning 52% of votes for leave in the referendum. All pretty simple really. Now because there is so much refusal to accept democracy in parliament which has resulted in the government no longer having a majority, the right thing to do is for those traitors to democracy to have a GE. I'm down for that. But the opposition are ****ting themselves and too scared to do that because they know they won't win. Instead, they are playing party political games and are trying to stop democracy in every way possible, while claiming Boris is the one being undemocratic for shutting parliament down for trying to implement the referendum result. You couldn't make it up. So again where is our democracy?

Due to all the shenanigans in parliament and all those protesters against Brexit, trying to stop democracy, I am now a firmer believer in democracy than ever before. There is my truthful answer to your question.

Now I have a question back at you. Once we leave the EU, will you move on and accept democracy and try and do your bit to make the best out of things to help my Britain strong or will you kick and scream about it every day and protests all the time (Hong Kong style) to make it worse for Britain in hope something reverses?

 

Were here bloody nightmare traffic M5 and M6 ended up going A roads in the end

Then the guy said posh cars are double priced too park

 

You should have taken the tractor.......

 

The roads area nightmare in England what they like in Wales

 

or a flock of sheep