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  1. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    Boris Johnson has denied lying to the Queen over the advice he gave her over the five-week suspension of Parliament.

    The prime minister was speaking after Scotland's highest civil court ruled on Wednesday the shutdown was unlawful.

    Asked whether he had lied to the monarch about his reasons for the suspension, he replied: "Absolutely not."

    He added: "The High Court in England plainly agrees with us, but the Supreme Court will have to decide."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49674516
     
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    The new European Parliament president David Sassoli has made it crystal clear that there will be no withdrawal agreement without the backstop. It's time for Boris to stop playing around with these clowns, walk away from the table, and get Britain out of the EU with a clean break WTO Brexit - let's go global!


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  3. wizered

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    He can't walk away, parliament remainers have commanded that we/he can't leave the EU without a deal.
     
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  4. AshtonRed

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    A new government isn’t bound by it, that’s why Boris wants a GE.
     
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    Regardless of your political "colour", it's true to say we have a very poor standard of politicians currently guiding, or wishing to guide this country, but that's another matter for the future - this is all about now.

    The fact that the law now states that we cannot leave the EU without a deal only applies in UK law. European law takes precedent and as the European legal default position is that we leave with or without a deal on the 31st October, that's what will happen if Johnson doesn't formally request an extension.

    Johnson has repeatedly said he he would not, so it could be encumbant upon the EU to offer it rather than it being requested. They would have to have good reason to do that, and would have to be along the lines of progress being made on some sort of agreement.

    That would get Johnson out of the UK legal hole if he agreed, but it would still be at odds with his stated policy of leaving on the 31st October "do or die".

    To change that stance would be a big call on his part, and any progress in negotiations would need to be spun by No.10 as justification for his new approach. Interesting times and still all to play for.
     
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    So this Brexit thingamajig? What's it all about? I'm not really getting any information about it at all!
     
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    Got 4 hours to spend looking through this thread <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  8. johngalleyfan2

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    ive stated that more than once we signed only to find what we signed wasn't actually what we thought we were signing up for …"smoke and mirrors"
     
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    that's part of his intentions /psycology …!
     
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    Without trying to look more of an idiot than normal here but I think Boris is being forced by parliament to get yet another extension from the EU. This extension will then give parliament time to try and get a deal? So it's just an extension that he needs to ask for <ok>

    Of course parliament have also rejected to leave without a deal but the law says we are leaving regardless on 31st October. The only thing that can change that is the law being passed to ask for an extension. All 28 EU countries will then vote on it. If just one says no to the extension, bare in mind the EU said before no more extensions, then we leave on 31st October, as planned with a forced no deal.

    Is there anything stopping Boris, as a leader of one of the 28 EU countries, saying no in this EU vote? Genuine question here. Because I am only aware he only has to ask for an extension. When the 28 vote on it, can he reject it, which in effect means we leave on no deal 31st October?

    Also I have heard on one of the many BBC5live shows on Brexit, from a MP on the leave side of the divide, that Boris will just give a 2 page letter to the EU in his request to ask for an extension that he is being forced to do. Page one will ask as forced, so he won't break the law. Page two will simply say "we don't really want an extension", which is not breaking the law.
     
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  12. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    Yep, spot on.

    There is no chance he will get a GE before 31st October though. Labour are too scared as they know they will not win. And because Corbyn can't make his mind up if he wants leave or remain, changes by the day, he is scared that the Lib Dems will win who will revoke article 50 and Corbyn doesnt want that. He is also scared that Tories and Brexit party will team up and end up leaving with no deal.

    As a result of Corbyn being scared of the outcome of a GE, where he will most likely will end up standing down after being in charge of Labour's worst ever defeat at a GE, he will delay everything possible while he thinks he still has power of Labour.

    This means Boris will have to seek an extension by law. The EU, if they agree to another extension, get to choose how long the extension will last for. The EU could choose 5 years if they like. Even longer if they want! This is what the remainers in parliament have done, rejected our only real negotiating tool that is no deal and given full power to the EU to choose the length of our extension and basically choose the deal they want, no matter the cost to the UK because clearly these remainers in parliament will vote for it over no deal. The EU must be laughing their asses off. And Boris can't do a thing about it because of those traitors who were elected by us the people who promised to implement the referendum decision.

    Say the EU are fair with their extension length. Whatever deal Boris brings back will be worse than May's deal and will get rejected by parliament along with many more rejections for no deal. There will just be extension after extension because parliament don't want to leave full stop. And they hope if they continue this way, eventually us the British people will cave in and just forget about Brexit. I certainly wont.
     
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    I agree. But if he can spin it right, putting the whole blame on the oppositions in parliament on why he wasn't able to keep his promise, because they have no respect for their PM, no respect for democracy and no respect for the people, all 17.4 million, who voted to elect them into parliament. If he shifts it all on them but does it well and not his usual embarrassing mumbling way, I think majority of people will understand if he breaks his do or die promise.
     
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    I don’t know how, but I think Boris & Co have something planned to get through it, I think the remainers think he has too , but they can’t figure our what it is either.
     
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    Knowing Boris, his idea is to close his eyes and hope it all goes away <ok>
     
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    The government has released an assessment called 'Yellowhammer' which states the possible effects of a no-deal Brexit on UK.
    Its based on reasonable worst case scenario's. Here are the details...
     
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    Transport:

    What Yellowhammer document says:
    • Between 50-85% of UK lorries travelling to the EU may not be ready for French customs
    • Lack of readiness and limited space in French ports could cut HGV traffic by 40-60% and lead to disruption lasting three months
    • This would lead to significant queues in Kent. In a worst-case scenario, it could take lorries up to two-and-a-half days before being able to cross into France

    What's being done:


    To ensure more lorries are ready for customs, the government announced last month that 88,000 companies would be automatically enrolled in a new customs system.

    The Port of Dover in Kent handles approximately 10,500 lorries a day. To prevent nearby roads from clogging up, the government has a traffic management plan code named Operation Brock.

    If the plan is activated, up to 2,000 lorries will be held in a queue leading to the port. Other traffic will be kept flowing around the queued-up lorries, in what is known as a contraflow system.

    A fallback option would be to divert lorries to the disused Manston airfield, near Ramsgate - and use it to hold up to 6,000 lorries on the runway at any one time.

    If further capacity was still required, a "last resort" would be to turn the 10-mile M26 motorway into a temporary lorry park.
     
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    Food:

    What Yellowhammer document says:
    • Certain types of fresh food supply will decrease
    • Key ingredients may be in shorter supply
    • There will not be an overall shortage of food in the UK, but may be reduced availability and choice
    • Prices may increase "which could impact vulnerable groups"

    What's being done:


    The government has said that it will continue to recognise EU standards for food being imported into the UK, to minimise disruption.

    The British Retail Consortium has said retailers are doing all they can to prepare for no-deal, but will not be able to prevent all negative effects. It stresses that many fresh fruits and vegetables will be out of season in the UK and that there will be a shortage of warehouse space ahead of Christmas.

    Another factor is what tariffs (the taxes on imports) will be charged on food coming into the UK.

    The government published a "tariff schedule" in March, which removed most tariffs on imports in the event of a no-deal Brexit

    That means some food from outside the EU that currently attract a tariff could be cheaper, but some goods from the EU that are currently imported with 0% tariffs, like beef and dairy, will now carry tariffs, and so could become more expensive.
     
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    Healthcare:

    What Yellowhammer document says:
    • Supply chains for medicines and medical products are "particularly vulnerable" to disruption at the Channel ports
    • While some products can be stockpiled, others cannot because they have a short shelf life
    • It will not be practical to stockpile products to cover expected delays of up to six months
    • An increase in inflation would "significantly impact" adult social care providers and may lead to some failing, with smaller providers impacted within two-three months.

    What's being done:


    At the end of June, the Department of Health and Social Care (DHSC) started putting out contracts for freight, warehouse space and fridges. These will be used to stockpile medicines and fly in those which cannot be stored, like radioisotopes for cancer treatment.

    Of the £2.1bn pledged for no-deal preparations, £434m has been set aside for this.

    That includes a £25m contract to set up an express freight service to bring in emergency medical supplies.

    Ahead of the UK's original departure date of 29 March - then extended to 12 April - the DHSC said thousands of medicines had been analysed to work out what might be affected by supply disruption from the EU.

    Suppliers stockpiled an additional six weeks' worth of these drugs over and above the usual "buffer" stock.

    This exercise is being repeated to ensure the department is "as prepared for leaving the EU without a deal in October as it was on 29 March and 12 April".

    On social care, the government website advises providers to draw up contingency plans and support EU staff who may be working for them.
     
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    Energy:

    What Yellowhammer document says:
    • There will be no immediate disruption to electricity or gas supplies
    • However, there are likely to be significant price rises if the UK splits from the EU single energy market, which could happen months or years after Brexit
    • This could lead to some energy companies leaving the market
    • Public water supplies are likely to remain largely unaffected

    What's being done:


    In the event of no-deal, the UK has said it will not impose tariffs on electricity and gas coming into the country.

    However, if the value of the pound falls in response to a no-deal Brexit, it will become more expensive to import energy from abroad.

    The government intends to remain part of the single energy market, in order for the UK's energy laws to continue to work after Brexit and that supplies are not disrupted.

    Water is unlikely to be affected, although there is still a low risk in the event of a chemical supply problem. The Yellowhammer report says water companies are well-prepared and have significant stockpiles of critical chemicals.
     
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