Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

You do realise Rob that we went into something called a common market without a vote, this then ended up again without a vote taking the people into the EU.

The first time the country was given a vote,the single biggest vote went in favour of us coming out.
There was no tick box for a deal or no deal just out.
We are still waiting since 2016.

 

Same old cliche's RR. Standard. The mad thing is most leavers actually would like to stay in the Common Market! I don't think you even know what it is!



If this turns out to be true.... ****ing hell.

 

Are you really that daft? There was a referendum in 1975 to join the common market and EU.

 

But it was still a vote by the public to join though regardless of what it was called back then.

If you want to try and defend his lack of understanding that’s your prerogative. Many posters on here have even referred to that referendum on this thread.

 

Not replying to all of these … storing them for Friday [ will try not to ]
its amazing how yes I do no I don't I know this you don't this or that is intricately weaved throughout all your replies .. between jobs? guess they thought you spent to much time sending posts instead of working. However you did state a year or so ago you were brilliant at your job so shouldn't be to long in getting another ...good luck ….

WOMBLE was quite taken aback by his ban did he ever get to vote!

its called leverage it is a world wide thing, people companies politicians and even 2 year old kids use it ...have you got any kids?

… numbers can be made to do or look like anything ….

please explain

ex potentially we will not know in advance of the event bit like knowing City will win 3-0 on Saturday!

can you explain how we have lost apparent savings? we still have to pay until the day we leave … monthly that's why leaving date is last day of a month

and who are they?

can you explain to those likely don't know what buying short by hedge funds works please

? was there

 

When did Britain decide to join the European Union?
The United Kingdom made its first application to join the European Union in 1961. It was quickly apparent that there was a danger of political isolation within Western Europe, Commonwealth states were rushing to do deals with the new bloc, and it had American support. This application was vetoed by the French Government in 1963 with a second application vetoed by the French again in 1967. It was only in 1969 that the green light was given to negotiations for British membership.

The United Kingdom joined the European Economic Community (as it then was) on 1 January 1973 with Denmark and Ireland. Thisproved controversial at the time. The Labour party initially sought renegotiation of membership. This was toned down to requiring a referendum on whether the United Kingdom should remain part of the Community. This referendum was duly held in 1975 with a 67% vote in favour of continued membership.

 

Thanks for your concern but I'm actually heading to a new, better role you cheeky little ****.

Paha, you don't like the evidence so that's your response? Classic.

According to S&P Global Ratings, Brexit has cost the UK £550m per week in economic growth. So even if your magic red bus was true (which it wasn't), we'd still be out of pocket.

Try reading a ****ing book for once mate. Between yourself and RR you're not exactly helping the 'Brexiteers are thickos' stereotype much are you.

 

“How does the current EU setup differ from what was put before the electorate in the 1970s referendum? I have heard that it was touted as simply a trade agreement.”
Full Fact readers
In 1975 the UK held a referendum on continued membership of the European Community.
This wasn’t presented just as a trade agreement. Other issues discussed at the time related to security, European funding for UK industries and regions, and aid to developing countries.
That’s not to say that anyone in 1975 knew what the EU would be like in 2016, or how much it would change in the following years.
The European Community was presented as more than a trade agreement
During the 1975 campaign, membership of the European Community was presented by both the government and the Conservative opposition as relevant to peace, security, and both regional and international development, as well as to trade and economic cooperation.
In 1975 the government set out the aims of the European Community as bringing “together the peoples of Europe”, raising living standards and improving working conditions, promoting growth and boosting world trade. They also set out that the EC would “help the poorest regions of Europe and the rest of the world” and “help maintain peace and freedom”.
In their October 1974 manifesto, the Conservative party outlined the two key ideas behind the EEC as being to maintain security within Europe and to allow European influence in the world, and control over its own affairs, to grow in a world of polarised superpowers.
The “Yes” and “No” campaigns talked about other issues too
The “Yes” campaign of 1975 also presented the debate as being about a range of issues, from jobs security to world peace and the Commonwealth.
One “Yes” campaign claim which with the benefit of hindsight we can say was not true, was that English common law would not be affected by staying in the European Community. We now know that EU law has a significant effect on UK law.
Meanwhile the official “No” campaign warned of the risk to sovereignty, jobs and food prices. They also raised the issue of lesser trade with the Commonwealth if the UK voted to stay in the European Community and told voters that it would be best for peace, stability and independence if they voted to leave.
Immigration was not mentioned by either campaign in their official leaflets.
The EU today is larger than the European Community in 1975
The EU has grown from 9 European Community member countries in 1975 to 28 today.
Of the five main institutions which run the EU today, four were in place by 1975: the European Parliament, the Council of the European Union, the European Commission and the Court of Justice. Other bodies have been added since, including the European Council which defines the political direction and agenda of the EU.
The EU covers more policy areas than the European Community in 1975
In 1975 the aims of the European Community largely concerned trade. The Treaty of Rome set these out and they relate to policies such as free movement, removing tariffs and the creation of the Common Agricultural Policy.
This shift in priorities is emphasised when EU spending is examined. The proportion of the EU budget going towards the Common Agricultural Policy has decreased since the 1975 referendum, from 72% in 1975 to 39% in 2014.
However, the European Community also aimed to promote collaboration between member states by improving living and working conditions across Europe and encouraging international development.
Since 1975, the UK has signed up to five more “main treaties” which have extended the powers of what became the European Community and then the EU. Every EU country, including the UK, agreed to these.
The EU now has “competences” or powers in a wider range of policies including consumer protection, energy and climate change, security and crime. In some areas the EU’s powers are exclusive, while in others they are shared with, or support, member states’ decisions.
British ministers have fewer opportunities to veto European legislation
In 1975 the Government argued that the British representatives on the Council of Ministers could veto any European legislation considered to be against the UK’s interests. The voting rules have been changed since then, removing the veto in certain cases. So this is less likely to be the case now.
The UK’s share of the vote in the Council of Ministers (now known as the Council of the European Union) has also declined since 1975 from 17% to 8%, and will be back up to 13% under a new system. However, even when decisions do not require unanimous approval it is unlikely that a decision the UK is very opposed to would get as far as a vote.

 

Brexiteers are thickos dream on Rob

 

Come on Rob - don't play this down. It wasn't just "one expert" was it. Carney is the mouthpiece of the BoE - the custodians of our currency and fiscal policy making. He just uttered the words generated numerous times by the multitudes of commitees that run our currency. If they don't know, who does?

FFS, it isn't just "one expert" this is the whole BoE we're talking about. If they can get it so disastrously wrong, why shoud all the other expert predictors you're advocating be so right?

 

OS - if your breadth of research relies on the fact that a prominent institution got it wrong (as they often do), and you're pinning your hopes on that v the waves of other research, that says everything about the validity of your opinion-making. You're actively seeking out the outlier and sticking to that rather than seeing the general trend. I could easily find a scientific report that says global warming is not caused by humans - does that make me right? Of course not, because it goes against the tide of the other 99% of scientists' research.

Remember what I wrote about the papers and media having an influence just days ago?

The Sun front page today: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/7CE7/production/_108757913_thesun.jpg
Daily Express: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/F1B3/production/_108757816_express.jpg
Daily Mail: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/C71F/production/_108757905_daily-mail.jpg

Not one of those decided to report on their own Prime Minister lying to the Queen, or the fact that the Government's own report has just been released and it is absolutely ****ing damning. And that's just the 'expected scenario', not even worst case! They're all owned by the same group of people.... I wonder why they'd want to spin it their own way...

This is how you're getting lied to day after day.

 

Hey RedRobin and JGF. Do you remember that time you both chastised Corbyn for refusing to sing the national anthem?

Well now you know Boris lied to the Queen I assume you're going to have similar hatred for him? You are, after all, fair, non-biased, non-influenced people of course.

 

Hey Rob - here's a little general quotation for you - not specific to this debate but very pertinent.

"People who think they know everything can be a great annoyance to those of us who do, if we let them. The solution is to always say that either they are right or to say one of us must be wrong but who cares about it, lets have a drink to celebrate."

 

I don't think I know everything at all mate. This is a discussion/debate thread, so I'm making my case. If we were to leave without a deal, I genuinely hope I'm wrong!

Any thoughts on Yellowhammer? https://assets.publishing.service.g...est_Yellowhammer_Planning_assumptions_CDL.pdf

I suppose it's just more remoaner propaganda? This is what to expect as a minimum should we leave without a deal

 

I think you may have missed the gentle sarcasm in the first line of that quotation I posted - read it again.

 

So one court in England says there is no issue,another in Scotland says it is

I wonder if the supreme court will say something completely different.

Again from what i hear and see it is only remainers BBC and ITV and the Left Wing papers saying he has lied.

Let's see what unfolds from this.

Watch this space