I'm confused by labour's policy and events. They're saying they wont vote in favour of an election until a Brexit day delay is ensured which is fair enough. But both bills are today, right? Does that mean that labour will support an election vote if it is after the delay bill? What's setting the order of things? I thought parliament had control today?
You’re right. Labour won’t support the dissolution motion until the Benn Bill is enacted into law, so it won’t be debated until then. This is the right decision, because otherwise Johnson will delay the election until after we crash out with no deal. Once the law is passed making no deal illegal, then an extension to Article 50 will have to be requested, as no other course will be open to Johnson.
Superb stuff from John Crace: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...nson-cowers-in-the-face-of-the-rebel-alliance
My goodness me, Caroline has done something which finally represents my interests. That's the first time since my MP was Alan Whitehead.
Ok they voted for not leaving Europe........or at least stopping a no deal. Ok parliament now lets get the agreement of how we are staying in Europe..........Oh forgot you haven't managed to do that in 3 years............going to be an interesting few years......Think I'll emigrate..............
I don’t know what freedoms you lot are on about. Isn’t Brexit about getting our country and freedom back.....
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Thanks for your reply. I agree with your last sentence especially, but I thought that’s what Parliament has been about for 2+ years, and still has not come to a decision.
Labour have not a clue what they are doing, rejected a reasonable deal 3 times, and Corbyn has been a complete disaster as a leader, some of my left of centre friends cannot believe what they are watching, much as I am with my Party!
You have been watching a different House of Commons in the last 2 days from most of us if you think that. Corbyn has appeared calm, reasoned, and statesmanlike, especially compared to the sneering sarcasm of Rees-Mogg, and the waffling bluster from the Prime Member. And May’s deal was not reasonable as it excluded us from the Single Market and the Customs Union, as well as not being strong enough on protecting the same workers’ rights as are enshrined in EU law. All of those things are contrary to Labour Party policy.
Rejected a “reasonable deal” 3 times? Labour have always said that they would reject any deal that made the economy worse and did not guarantee that employee rights would stay in line with those of the EU. Despite being 64, the second part, in particular, is what concerns me most. Employee rights have been increasingly weakened by conservative governments and because of this (among other things) I fear for the future of my children and grandchildren, should we finally leave the EU. Also, if I am not mistaken, your current party leader (among other Tory MPs) ALSO rejected the deal, so maybe it wasn’t as reasonable as you think. As with the cliff edge and car buying analogies, if the deal isn’t good enough you step away. And if you cannot get a deal that improves the lot of the UK citizens, or at least matches what we already have, then maybe it’s time to realise that things aren’t so bad as they are, and perhaps the whole thing really has been orchestrated by very wealthy people who are looking to avoid being targeted by the new tax laws being introduced in January.
Reasonable to whom? The problem is that a whole bunch of people voted for a Brexit under an impossible scenario. They were sold a bill of goods and told they'd get all the benefits of being in the EU, but none of the cons. Turns out, it's not so simple. And since then various factions have been holding the country hostage by using a no deal Brexit threat to get their way, even though there seems to be a clear majority against it. There needs to be a vote, given the new understanding of the situation about whether to remain or exit. And the government actually needs to properly prepare for a Brexit-- deal or no deal-- which it hasn't been doing. You can't exit like this, and not with these people in charge.
