This is the article being cited by a lot of leave campaigners on social media: https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019...ce-a-significant-dilemma-over-queens-consent/ I don't have the legal expertise to agree or disagree with it, but I do know Bercow has already shown he will bend the rules to ensure a majority in the HoC is adhered to by Govt, so I wouldn't crow too soon if I were with the Govt on this one.
I think it's reasonable for Corbyn etc to refuse to back a GE until his current initiative to block a no deal on or before 31 October is passed as law. The "Boris trap" idea is fair enough. I wouldn't trust Boris in his place either. But if Corbyn doesn't back a GE after that, it's pure cowardice and will go down badly with the electorate imo
This is a complex but really interesting article, Raving. As I see it, the argument is boiled down as: 1. Where prerogative powers (exercised by HM's government) can be affected, Queen's consent (ie government consent) is required 2. Cooper/Letwin were careful to sail around this, be simply asking Theresa May to seek an extension of Article 50/ the leaving process. Bercow said this did not need Queen's/Government consent to pass 2. However the Benn/Burt bill goes beyond this and is intended to force HM government to seek an extension. Thus prerogative powers can be affected. This Queen's consent/ Government consent is required. Boris's government must approve the Benn/Burt bill and on first look, I find it hard to see how Bercow can manoeuvre around this one
Apparently the Tory rebels have had their parliamentary passes disabled, which is a pathetically hostile act and just another indicator of this government's disregard for democracy. They are still elected representatives after all. Still, I suppose if they get the disabled passes examined by the DWP, they'll be declared fit for work.
The world’s gone mad: Stroller’s standing up for Tory MPs! Next week: Turkish drinks Prosecco in Islington.
I have principles, Stroller. And, if you don’t like them, I’m pretty sure I’ve got others knocking around somewhere.
Maybe a stupid question but what good would another 3 month extension do ? If it’s just to give time for an election to take place before the ‘no-deal’ default comes in then surely that’s a big risk. If the Tories and Johnson win (as in my opinion they probably will) then aren’t we just gonna be back to where we are now ?
As Flora Quimsburger (or another Beeb bird) said on the box last night, the Remainers don’t have a coherent plan to resolve this ****e other than reject, reject, reject. An extension is just a mechanism to kick the can down the alley some more. They want to remain in the EU, so perversely are more ‘no deal’ than the Brexiteers - they don’t want a deal to leave the EU, period.
Johnson currently isn't even trying to get a deal - there are no negotiations going on. If No Deal is ruled out, he, or a new PM, is going to have to come up with something new to take to Brussels, and, thanks to his shutting down of parliament, there's almost certainly insufficient time to pass a new deal before 31st October.
The Tories have now purged themselves of disloyal EU lovers which will be replaced with Brexiteers. Corbyn is moving to Remain and second referendum. If the Tories win a GE with a decent majority, they will be able to continue negotiations with the EU, with no deal on the table, and I believe, there will be a decent compromise with the EU. And then we all move on Latest - rebels fail in their Scotland court bid to have Boris's prorogation ruled unlawful
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2010/may/07/nigel-farage-ukip-john-bercow Farage ran against Bercow, a couple of elections ago. Got nowhere. He came down our street, as did a man in a dolphin suit. Farage didn't even beat him. BTW whatever you think...the plane crash wasn't my fault On the campaign trail a few weeks ago I watched as Nigel Farage give a TV interview in a Buckingham pub. He was saying he wanted to send an earthquake through British politics. A Ukip member who had been looking on admiringly turned toward me and said: "If he went under a bus tomorrow, we'd be buggered." On election day Ukip got a glimpse of a future without its most famous candidate. While counters sorted ballots in the Aylesbury Civic Centre, Farage was in John Radcliffe hospital, recovering from injuries sustained in a plane crash. He stood down as leader of Ukip last year in order to throw his hat in the ring in Buckingham, defying convention by standing against the Speaker, John Bercow. With the result not being announced until the day after the election (Buckingham and Aylesbury both use the Civic Centre; Aylesbury went first), this was, in the circumstances, a count of no account. There was no Labour or Lib Dem candidate; Bercow is no longer officially (or ideologically, his critics would say) a Tory. And the most entertainingly outspoken runner, Farage, would not be present. The scene at the count was a perfect picture of the brisk gentility by which Britain's broken electoral system conducts itself. The count took place at 12 tables, in near silence. There were cardigans on the backs of most of the chairs. Ukip and a crowd of other independents – there were 11 candidates on the ballot in all – had been seeking to capitalise on a tide of anger surging through Buckingham. Voters were unhappy about being asked to return the Speaker to the Commons unopposed, particularly in Princes Risborough, which had been moved into the constituency. They said they felt disenfranchised. But they were also upset about Bercow flipping his second home – a man dressed as a dolphin called Flipper campaigned on behalf of independent candidate John Stevens. On the doorstep voters seemed to be in a mood to protest, but they were largely undecided as to how to proceed. They would have voted for the dolphin if they could. As the returning officer brought the candidates to the stage, the result was a foregone conclusion. Bercow was defending a majority of over 18,000. The constituency is overwhelmingly Tory. He was returned with a reduced but still unassailable majority of 12,529. John Stevens and Flipper came second with 10,331 votes, ahead of Farage on 8,401.
It’s a very silly game they ( Boris, and Corbynski ) are playin especially Corbynski, if Boris wins an election Corbynski is finished, if Boris wins enough to form a coalition with Farage, Corbynski is finished, and if Corbynski wins, the country is f****d. It’s my opinion though that Boris is playing the long game, he ultimately wants an election and he wants Brexit, if he doesn’t get us out on Oct 31st he blames Comrade Corbynski and the 21 rebels, if somehow we do get out he goes on for 2 more years as PM and Corbynski is finished as Labour leader, but he ultimately knows that he has to deliver Brexit and he appears to want to do it by hook or by crook, On the other hand all Comrade Jezzbollah Corbynski wants is the keys to number 10, and he is rapidly losing that goal because if he defies the labour masses and goes for another referendum or god forbid he votes to revokes article 50 in any parliamentary vote the Labour Party as we know it is finished, so can Corbynski risk that just to get into power, personally I think he will because I don’t think he cares about the voters anymore he just wants the keys to number 10.
These Remainers just can’t see that you cannot go into a Brexit negotiation without ‘no deal’ being one of a number of potential outcomes. They’re sounding like those CND lot from the 80s: let’s decommission all our nukes and then ask those nice Russians if they wouldn’t mind awfully doing the same. Despite DT’s French cumfest, neither France nor Germany want a ‘no deal’. It would be disastrous for them. The French are teetering on economic misery and the Germans are facing huge economic hardship, what with their substantial manufacturing base meaning high GDP but low margins. They are far more susceptible to small swings in GDP, plus face the very real possibility of having to write off the Greek debt in the very near future. Of course these guys want to play hardball as they’re ****ting themselves over the whole thing.
If Corbyn wants to beat Farage, the answer may be for him to buy a dolphin suit! I think a lot has changed in 9 years. Farage has moved out of UKIP, a party that always had racist undertones. The Brexit Party is flying. Bercow is not seen as impartial anymore - a Marmite figure. I don't think Farage is the right figure to challenge Bercow in Buckingham. If the Tories could find a popular Brexiteer, he or she would give Bercow a run for his money. We may not have seen the end to Bercow's partiality towards Remain. As Raving's post suggests, Bercow may have to go even further in ignoring accepted parliamentary customs to get the Benn/Burt bill through
Thanks to all for their answers......seems that whatever the outcome it’s a complete clusterfuck that will have no real winners but a lot of real losers, whatever the outcome.
