Glad these are option to buy. I hope Celtic, Antwerp, Leganes and Galatasaray are paying most if not all the wages for the players too This transfer window was always going to be about who we leaves than who we buy after 2 years of poor transfer activity. If the options to buy are taken up in those with it then it has been a decent transfer window for Saints. However, if they come back then we are back in the same situation as this summer. I make it about 15 players out including those out for experience but all but 2 are loans whuch is far from ideal. Option to buy is not an obligation so all these players could come back at the end of the season. Sorry, don't mean to be negative but this is reality.
I am guessing that we are paying the majority of the wages for Forster and Hoedt. While Celtic's wage bill dwarfs that of their competition, Forster's wage would be something like 8% of their total. And Hoedt makes in a month pretty close to the average annual wage in the Belgian league.
Since January I make it either sold or loaned out. Davis Gabbiadini Gallagher Targett Austin Reed Clasie Forster Elyounoussi Carrillo Hesketh Hoedt Lemina Sims Rose Johnson O’Connor Jones
We all knew that, but better they’re gone for 9 months, with a small Possibility they get signed, than hanging around the club and potentially causing grief . Sorry, don’t mean to be positive but this is also a reality
I know it was a bit of a frustrating summer window in not getting players out as quickly as we’d like, or on permanent deals, but there’s a lot of poor players on that list and it’s good to see the club have moved to get them away from the first team squad. I’m not sure I’m sad to see any of them move on (apart from perhaps Davis and Gabbiadini, but they wouldn’t get into our strongest 11 anyway) which hammers home the poor deals we’ve made.
We had a lot of players on the books that we didn't want. Was always going to be difficult to shift all of them this summer, so loaning them out is the best next choice. Our costs must be reduced to some extent whatever the deal and they aren't hanging around anymore. I hope they all have good seasons and put themselves back in the shop window.
I think not selling is pretty ****ty a position to be in and will affect us for a few transfer windows - there simply doesnt seem like much money is available. On that basis, we are playing the long game where the people on the inflated contracts can simply play the longer game. I think we will be in the same position next summer so think we should have been accepting tiny transfer fees if the players wages were covered by the receiving cub. Now, I am not saying that is easy, but it was one of the top priorities and was the main role of a few people in the recruitment team and Saints - that is a bit of a failure in my book and they have not just had 6 weeks to sort this - these are players they have known they didnt want for well over 6 months.
I said when Ralph first came in, the biggest job wasn't staying up, it was sorting out our bloated chaotic squad. And I'm personally very thankful at what he has achieved thus far. Its depressing at just how quickly we lost our way, and our identity. Again, thank you Ralph.
I don’t understand why you think not selling players on high wages is the clubs fault at this point in time and not a historic error. If Lemina was seen as being as good as he thinks he is someone would have bought him and paid him the same wages. But EPL wages are higher than most leagues so we’re stuck having highlighted his attitude problems for all to see. I’m not sure that was obvious when we bought him The others are similar. No one offers the same wages so they won’t move so we have to loan Has anyone offered to take Hoedt on the same wages for a derisive fee? No, because they won’t pay him the same wages Same for Carillo etc Am I wrong?
Youre not wrong, its your opinion! I dont agree - shifting permanently, regardless as to whos fault it is, was the objective - or are you thinking their objective was to loan the players out? If the objective was to sell - then loaning them is the next best thing, but it certainly isnt being successful...
I agree Billy, but we may have offered the players for small fees and still had no takers. We don’t know that bit.
Totally agree Fats - but my view is the window is a bit of a failure, not measuring if we tried - as we absolutely will have done.
... let’s see. Adams ends up on 24 goals; Djenepo gets 32 assists and Danso missses the golden boot by one goal
Sometimes makes you wonder who we need more Sometimes makes you wonder who we need more ............ a manager or a psychiatrist.
Carillo was a terrible judgment call, on every level. But Lemina & Hoedt should hang their heads in shame. Both of them, if they applied themselves could play in the Premier League. They just both have terrible attitudes. I think both of them are in for a wake up call this season at their new 'prestigious' loan club homes.
I like your optimism. Im not being negative, just pointing out the window wasnt imo that great, as we failed to get sales for the main ones we wanted gone. It is also really strange to allow Targett to go, and play our new much needed CB at LB in place of Ryan. It seemed maybe we had to sell to buy one of the others. In that case - we are well skint.
My understanding is that we did/do have money to spend, say £20m, on a player. But that player would then be on something like 60k+ a week and this is where the issue is. By having loads of high earners contributing the grand total of **** all our wage bill is massive and we didn't want to add to that until we had moved on some other players. I think if we had made the moves on all the players we have now moved since the Engilsh deadline before the deadline we would've bought at least one more player. This was the main problem of moving the English deadline to not be in line with everyone elses deadline.
As Beefy said we have money to spend on players............just it was the wages on our bloated squad was wat too high which had to come down.