Bolton, Bury and Macclesfield to do one...

Well I’ve sent my bank details and paid £1000 admin fee to one of these likeable chaps, just sat back waiting for my £7m to clear!

 

I know you're not an Allam apologist because you've said so before, but this looks an awful lot like apologism for Allam.

What you state as fact is patently untrue. Others have already pointed out the many instances of owners giving money interest free to their clubs. You say there have been none, without really thinking, and that's obviously because you want to believe that. Because it supports your desire to keep on defending the Allams.

It's very easy to say that he didn't mean the things he said, but that's just not how the world works. You don't get to avoid repercussions by saying "I was just kidding though". I don't find it anywhere near as unbelievable as you do that he would actually wish people who get in his way would die. Being aware of some of the lengths he's gone to to try to hurt certain supporters in their personal lives, I wouldn't put anything past him. He's the exact same sort of personality as these dictators who arrange for people to wind up dead or locked up in less stable countries than ours. I don't particularly doubt that if this were one of those countries, he would see to it that his dissenters were silenced by whatever means necessary.

The PR of the club is extremely poor, you're right, but the PR of the owners regarding their own image, is incredibly good. They are widely disliked; viewed as clueless and stupid. But hardly anyone realises the extent of their malice. They live happily and safely in our local area despite their countless despicable acts towards the community as a whole and certain individuals within it. Without their exceptionally good PR, there wouldn't be any posts like yours, framing them as misunderstood and hard done to, and always seeking to present the situations they get themselves involved in as more complex and less one-sided than they really are.

 

I am not an Allam apologist. I just see things differently to you. I have also seen a lot of owners come and go at this club and I have learnt to be patient and see the situation from both sides. You say that there are many instances of owners giving interest free loans to clubs because you want to believe that. But you don't know that for a fact do you ? And how would you ? But if you want to believe that businessmen write vast amounts of money because it's football with no return expected then fair enough. I don't.
I do think you are letting your dislike, bordering on hatred cloud your judgement on this issue, because they may have got a lot wrong in their handling of the club and no-one is disputing that, but they also got a lot right and at least they stepped forward and had a go when others showed no interest at all.

 

It's not a belief, but a documented fact that certain club owners have given interest free loans and gifts to their clubs. I don't know why you would argue this point as you're obviously aware that accounts are a thing.

I've never understood the defence of "no one else was interested in buying us" because we'd never really know would we? You only have to look at Bury and Bolton to see that there are always plenty of parties wanting to buy a football club even when they're an absolute shambles. Most remain unknown until they actually buy it or come close, but they're clearly always there in the background as we've seen over the last couple of weeks. The situation at these two clubs also shows us that wanting buy a club, or indeed doing so, isn't necessarily doing it a favour.

 

The EFL have apparently decided to not rescind the expulsion of Bury

 

It's easy to understand. City were up for sale and no-one came in except the Allams otherwise surely someone else more suited and possibly with more cash would have bought us ? But we will never know as we will never know half and a quarter of what really goes on financially at football clubs. Balance sheet or not.
We have seen first hand at City when in a Bury/Bolton situation that the saviours are not always what they are cracked up to be.
As for Richard G's post. All I want is a football club who values its heritage and fanbase etc to support.
I can support the club on the terraces but there is little I can do beyond that. Talk on a football forum is cheap and plentiful but it won't change anything.

 

Ulrika and Allam share very similar traits. He tells us he's not an apologist and then apologises the **** out of it.

Allam tells us he's giving us a gift and then not only wants his money back but charges 5% interest on his gift.

He's modelling himself on the Allams.

 

I wouldn't underestimate its role in ensuring that we're still called Hull City.

 

If only more of our 'supporters' had modelled themselves on Urika and supported the club with sponsorship and practical help in the 1990s when the club had leper-like status in the business community, we would never have sunk so low as we did or for so long.

Perhaps he takes a longer-term view, based on greater experience, than many of the more vociferous one trick pony posters on here?

 

I think you're just arguing for the sake of it.

Go to a search engine and type in football club owners who have written off debts, there's ****ing loads of them.

Having read your bit again now I agree with you. But it's semantics, in most cases they didn't give interest free loans and they didn't loan it with no expected return. They wrote off some or all the accrued debt for the benefit of the respective clubs, and in many cases to aid the sale of a club.

 

FACT Bury won the FAC twice before either MUFC or MCFC had even made it the FACF

 

Some on here have said they had other priorities in the 1990s when he was doing that and now they have the nerve to question his commitment to the club.

 

Not so sure, the supporters just get whatever comes along good, bad or indifferent. The drivers are the owners, managers and players.

For example Sunderland and Newcastle have loads of supporters but their fortunes have been up and down regardless.

 

They has spent 15 years in Div 1 before WW1. More than Man Utd and Man City. Arsenal hadn’t even reached Div 1 then. 9 seasons in Div 1 before Chelsea and ourselves joined the League.

64 clubs have played in the top flight. Bury are 38th for points gained.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/datablog/2013/apr/17/football-league-125-years

 

Or put another way, they have had crap owners and little success for decades but still turn out in great numbers.

 

SAFC had their worst ever season last year (their second ever) in the third tier. How would they fare scraping along in the 4th tier for 13 years or so?

And NUFC ? Never been in the bottom two tiers.

Not really a good comparison as these two have never plumbed the depths like we have.

But any club would struggle to accept sponsors and backing in a not very wealthy city with competing sports clubs, whose exploits are reported enthusiastically by the local media.

When the directors, players, management and fans are all on the same page, a club thrives.

Without that, it's very difficult.

 

Yes, but it didn't help.

 

Who is questioning his commitment ? Some people disagree with some of his opinions , that's all