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Bolton, Bury and Macclesfield to do one...

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by originallambrettaman, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator
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    Are people really suggesting that the Premier League clubs should set up some sort of fund, specifically to bail out clubs that have massively overspent?

    Bury had players on £10k a week in the third tier, double the wages of the rest of the league, they couldn't afford it and went bust. They were appallingly run and like every appallingly run company, they ended up in trouble.

    Obviously I've got sympathy for their fans and their should be EFL rules to prevent clubs from getting into these situations, but bailing out clubs that massively overspend, isn't the answer.
     
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    Looking bad for Bolton.

    Football Ventures have supposedly been on the cusp of taking over the club for ages. It seems that their takeover may be reliant on them also taking over the hotel (which has separate administrators). The hotel administrators released a statement on Sunday which basically seemed to say that they want to work with Football Ventures because they know how important a football club is BUT there are better offers and they have to do what is best for the creditors. So if Football Ventures don't get the hotel, there may be no Bolton takeover and thus no Bolton Wanderers.
     
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  5. Howdentiger2

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    Why? These clubs have been poorly run a d like any poorly run business they can/will go bust! Football clubs seem to get more chances then other businesses already.

    Would you expect John Lewis for example to give some of its income to house of Fraser to stop it going under?
     
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  6. John Ex Aberdeen now E.R.

    John Ex Aberdeen now E.R. Well-Known Member

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    You obviously think like the Allam's, Football clubs are very different from normal business, they are part of a community. Clubs that have been around for over 100 years and need to be saved for future generations IMO.

    IMO the EPL get a disproportionate slice of the football cake, many players, managers and coaches have cut their teeth at the lower level, and it is to the EPL clubs advantage to have a vibrant lower league structure which they can feed off. Crazy amounts of money being paid for players and their salaries, many of them overseas players, a small percentage of their EPL clubs wealth could go a long way to keep Football as a whole in England as the great asset it has been to millions down the years and in the future.

    On your point about clubs being run badly, this is down the EFL not doing their job properly, and allowing owners into clubs that either doesn't have the right financial wherewithal or have a personal agenda which does fit in with how a club should be run correctly.
     
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    It's down to the EFL? Do they force clubs to live beyond their means? Do they force clubs to pay stupid transfer fees? No they don't, yes they let some owners in that in hindsight shouldn't have been, but to blame them fully is just ludicrous.

    Guessing your not going to answer the point re John Lewis and HOF??

    Woolworths and other businesses where part of the community for sometimes 100yrs of years, should more successful businesses have just given them a slice of their money to keep them afloat?

    I never want to see a club go bust ever! But also don't see why badly run football clubs should get any different support then badly run businesses
     
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    Perhaps the only way to stop clubs overspending is to introduce salary caps.
     
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    That won’t work unless it is worldwide. And that’s not going to happen. Big clubs everywhere won’t be restricted in that way when they can raise so much more through sponsorships on top of what they get through the gate, It would lead to even more shady goings on than there are now.

    Salary caps were supposed to make RL a level playing field. FC are closer on points in joint 2nd place to the team at the foot of the league than they are to the team at the top.
     
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  10. Barchullona

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    The PL,don’t get a disproportionate slice as that is what people around the world are willing to stump up for to watch. We have more clubs for the size of population than elsewhere. That was great when most people worked on a Saturday morning and went straight from work to the match and watched their local team. Look at the crowds Bolton, .Burnley and Blackburn used to get in small towns.Or what clubs like Charlton, .Brentford and Millwall got in London innore televised football days.Now they have other options on what to do and instead of supporting an unsuccessful local club get their thrills vicariously by adopting a big club and watching them via TV. You won’t have seen anyone walking about in Hull with Man Utd and Liverpool scarves on in Carter’s day.
     
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    This John Lewis and HOF comparison is slightly pointless.

    Not sure John Lewis loan out there staff to get vital experience at HOF or any other department store. I am not sure our 'department shop national team' is made up of players practically all of whom have had lower league experience. I am pretty sure John Lewis, don't sign HOF staff for bargains compared to trying to buy from within other successful department stores.

    Comparing any other business to football is pointless, of course there are business principles involved but you just can't compare.

    Without a strong football league the Premier League would not succeed to the level it has. I have no sympathy with the clubs owners who have overspent and no the Premier League shouldn't bail them out, but the Premier League should remember where a lot of their players developed and continue to develop.
     
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    You'd have thought she'd bring a chair with her.
     
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    And a dog
     
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    And a pie
     
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    I might pop along and see if she wants to buy a book. <whistle>
     
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  17. Chazz Rheinhold

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    She might need a commode too,
    That’d sort the chair problem in one.
     
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    Not expecting to be there long.
     
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  19. dennisboothstash

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    The John Lewis & House of Fraser example is a ridiculous one, and I’m sure you realise that.
    The League could easily draft rules which would stop clubs going bust, and there would be ways of evening out the cash a bit too.
    If a club didn’t have enough supporters or sponsors and therefore not enough income then they get relegated until the ultimately drop out of the league, a shame but reasonably fair I think.
    That is very different to clubs ceasing to exist from league positions.
    That could be stopped if there was the will. (Amended version of FFP in simplest terms)
     
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  20. The B&S Fanclub

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    I feel really sorry for both Bolton and Bury...The truth is that you can't compete with the likes of Man City and Man United on your doorstep. Massive clubs with large stadiums and big followings. Liverpool ain't that far away... I would think Oldham and Rochdale might be next to have problems.
     
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