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Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by stick, Mar 27, 2018.

  1. gazboy

    gazboy Well-Known Member

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    Hayley Mcqueen time to go on mat leave. I don't need to see yir discs. Ffs go home
     
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  2. redcgull

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  3. QuarterMoonII

    QuarterMoonII Economist

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    Philadelphia and VW ads banned for gender stereotyping

    More stupid political correctness for the snowflakes...

    Not seen either advert but I guess they got plenty of publicity on the BBC this way. Love to know how the dimwits at the ASA are going to police social media – Facebook, Google and Twitter have a few more resources than them.
     
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    QM, one of the adverts in question has had one person complain...!! If that warrants a ban on all ads for their gender stereotyping then were all doomed to fail...<laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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  5. NassauBoard

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    The thing with adverts like the Philadelphia one is that they damage their brand through alienating people who dislike the message. So by banning them, it makes it easier for the brand!

    Correctness at work
     
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  6. Chaninbar

    Chaninbar The Crafty Cockney

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    Nigel Owens? Yes they used to ask the video ref a specific question like grounding but now it's just is there any reason why I can't award this try - cop out. It will be interesting to see how they use the video ref at the RWC as it came close at times to ruining the event in 2015. The on field ref seemed to be over ruled at times by the video ref which undermines his authority completely. I recall it was Nigel Owens in a game who told the video ref to do one when he was being told to red card a player and he didn't agree with it. I also recall that despite the over exposure of the video ref they still got some key decisions wrong (Scotland Australia game springs to mind). At least with rugby union though the spectators at the match can see what's going on unlike football where they're just left for a few minutes while some goon gets his slide rule out.
     
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  7. QuarterMoonII

    QuarterMoonII Economist

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    Super League: Wigan v Warrington

    Early second half, Wolves player slides over line with ball. Ben Thaler says no try on field but goes to video ref. He sees that player lost ball and confirms no try.

    Few minutes later, Wolves player tackled near line but momentum carries him on to line. Ref says no try and goes to video. Real speed replay shows man tackled and bounces forward on to line. Slow motion replay – which video ref looked at six or seven times – makes it look like double movement, so he does not change the on field call. So both officials got it wrong. I would forgive Ben Thaler as he only saw it once but the video ref looked to agree with him instead of for the right decision. Even the TV commentators thought it was a try.

    As a neutral it spoiled the game as Wigan led 18-0 at the half and Warrington never got in it, blanked until the last 8 minutes.
     
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  8. Cyclonic

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    QM, I think it's reasonable to ask why the replays were brought in. The probable answer is that too many mistakes were being made by the ref. If the scene (pre video days) in the UK was anything like here in Australia, the stink was getting pretty putrid. People were demanding that we step out of the past and encompass the technology available to us. Heaps of sports across the globe are now taking a lot of the mistakes out games.

    The very fact that there is so much use of technology is a testament to it's value. Sure mistakes will be made, but in the overall washout, I'd be prepared to believe that what we have is better than what we had. Nobody is going to roll this stuff back, it's too valuable.

    Beside where would we be if we turned our back on science? We'd be straight back into cars started by crank handles etc. <laugh>
     
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  9. QuarterMoonII

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    I am not denying that the technology has value but as in the example that I cited it often does not solve the problem of the idiots using it. In American Football the video replay has been massively scaled back because it was like refereeing the game twice in a game that takes three hours anyway.

    I am not so sure that Pep Guardiola is a big fan of VAR given that Man Sheikhy have twice been done by VAR against Tottenham in the space of six months. They were knocked out of the Champions League by a goal that clearly hit the Spurs player on the elbow in the action of scoring in April – but that rule was not introduced until June – and then denied a winner in the Premier League match by that rule yesterday when the ball had accidentally hit a team mate not the goal scorer. Arguably the hard rule is the issue here because it allows no interpretation.

    I would not bet on VAR being around next year in the Premier League if someone makes a howler that ends up costing someone the title or a top four finish. I can see the fans in the grounds getting fed up with all the delays already as every goal/offside gets VAR treatment. I watched the Arsenal game on Saturday lunchtime and the VAR was looking at things that were obvious on the first replay two or three more times causing unnecessary delay.

    In cricket the video referral was introduced to try and remove the obvious umpiring errors from the game but now it seems that teams use it to simply question any close decision they do not find agreeable. Also, in cricket technology, they use Hawkeye for adjudicating on leg before wicket decisions but factor in a ridiculous margin of error where if half the ball is clipping the stumps/bails it is “umpire’s call” (staying with the wrong decision sometimes). It is surely either hitting the woodwork or not, you cannot get a little bit pregnant!
     
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  10. Reebok

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    You make this sound like a bad thing! Didn't have to worry about a flat battery in those days :)
     
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  11. Cyclonic

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    Keep VAR or dump it QM?
     
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  12. Chaninbar

    Chaninbar The Crafty Cockney

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    I'm not QM so apologies for jumping in but my answer would be dump VAR immediately in it's present form in the Premier League. Goal line technology is a great innovation and if had been around in 1966 would have proved the ol Rusky linesman was on the money all along <cool>. But yesterday's Citeh Spurs debacle just proves it's nonsense. No Spurs player appealed for a handball, the home crowd celebrate the likely winner and some geek in a booth changes the on field decision and the paying public have no clue what is going on. The Spurs keeper's reaction says it all really. They've changed the law on handball to make it easier for technology ffs. How is that advancing the sport? An attacking player accidentally handles the ball in the area it's a free kick but if a defender does similar it's ok - horse ****! Also we find out last week that when someone is a flared nostril off side it's not absolutely spot on technology but a best guess. The sports of cricket, tennis and to an extent rugby, by their very nature are better, suited to video technology in that there are regular breaks in play - tennis and cricket in particular. Football is not, in fact there has been rule changes in recent times to speed up the game (e.g back pass to the keeper). VAR is just a 10 tonne weight around football's neck. It has to go. I feel much better now <laugh>.
     
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  13. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
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    It was introduced in the Bundesliga last season already and proved universally unpopular with the fans. Get rid of it.
     
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  14. Cyclonic

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    Bunch of Luddites. <laugh>
     
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  15. QM is bang on - it's not the technology but those who use it. No matter how good computers are they always rely on someone using them and making a decision. The problem with VAR is it's lengthening games and still coming up with the wrong decision. I'd bin it.
     
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  16. Nonsense


    Sent from my carrier pigeon.
     
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  17. OddDog

    OddDog Mild mannered janitor
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    I've watched the replay a number of times and I'm still no wiser as to why City's "third goal" was ruled out.
     
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  18. Cyclonic

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    Tip of left shoulder looked suss.
     
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  19. Reebok

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    There are some on here who will remember when there was no offside rule. Typical formation was 5-3-2 and goals a-plenty :)
     
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  20. Bustino74

    Bustino74 Thouroughbred Breed Enthusiast

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    When was there no offside rule? It was reduced from 3 to 2 players over a 100 years ago I think but there’s no one on here that old.
     
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