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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    Not my preferred outcome, no.

    There are at least two sides to every negotiation, though. No Deal means that neither the UK not the EU reached an agreement. Johnson is right about that.

    Honestly, it’s getting to be like trying to leave some sort of religious sect.
     
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  2. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    Backed up by ministers across the EU?
     
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    Steelmonkey Well-Known Member

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    Scottish independence: Could Spain veto Scotland in the EU? - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-sc...ependence-could-spain-veto-scotland-in-the-eu

    Here's how they planned to "rejoin" if the vote was "Yes"....

    An Independent Scotland: The Road to Membership of the European Union | Centre on Constitutional Change l Researching the issues. Informing the debate. https://www.centreonconstitutionalc...ndent-scotland-road-membership-european-union
     
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  4. Woodyhoopleson

    Woodyhoopleson Well-Known Member

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    So if the options were to leave with no deal, or remain, what would you have chosen?
     
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  5. Woodyhoopleson

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    Do you think enough voters understood the implications of various outcomes?
     
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  6. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    Leave.

    I’ll never be asked again during my lifetime.
     
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  7. Uber_Hoop

    Uber_Hoop Well-Known Member

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    Rock and a hard place, huh?
     
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    Would you like to stay or leave?
     
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  9. Uber_Hoop

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    Hmmm... tough one. :)
     
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  10. Staines R's

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    With respect, your statement that the break up of the union is the ‘inevitable conclusion’ is rubbish.....

    Of course it might be a possibility but to say it’s ‘inevitable’ is wrong....
     
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  11. sb_73

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    Markets don’t have consciousness or intelligence. They are run on computer algorithms and human herd instinct emotion. Markets have recovered well since the global financial bollocks up of 2008. Average incomes and living standards haven’t. The FTSE hit an 11 month high today, as the £ sank. **** the markets, like they **** us.
     
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  12. Uber_Hoop

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    Not entirely true, Stan.

    Markets are broad things and not just limited to quotable securities. I know stuff, me.
     
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    Which bits aren’t true? Stock markets are at or close to record highs, yet we still have austerity and lower standards of living than in 2007. Handily, if they plummet it will lead to more austerity for millions of people who have never held a share certificate in their lives. Currency markets seem to work in the same way, but at least ordinary people can sometimes benefit when they go on holiday (obviously not at the moment).

    What markets are you referring too? Commodities? ****ing derivatives? Smithfield?
     
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    According to his ex employers at the Telegraph, usually well informed on Tory matters, Johnson is asking the EU to extend the ‘implementation’ period from one to two years, during which the UK would stay in the Single Market and Customs Union, and offering to pay for the privilege, in return for getting the backstop changed and buying time to get a trade deal in place.

    Meanwhile it appears that a couple of years ago Dominic ‘Nutter’ Cummings let slip that the instincts of the public about Tory MPs is correct - they don’t care about poor people or the NHS. Mind you he hasn’t got much good stuff to say about the hard line Brexiters either

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/15-things-dominic-cummings-tory-mps

    I kind of like him. Farage having a go at him tonight and the ERG hate him.
     
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  15. Uber_Hoop

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    I’m not restricting my comments just to quotable securities. By markets, I mean the world of commerce in general. The current climate of uncertainty means businesses are cautious about investing, consumers are less inclined to spend etc. It’s all about confidence as it always has been when it comes to peaks & troughs, boom & bust.
     
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    So, what’s your opinion on that, Stan?

    It’s not a million miles away from what I was suggesting in a post earlier today. We effectively pay for the privilege as a member state today anyway, don’t we?

    Sounds perfectly sensible to me, if true.
     
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    So which remain did the remainers vote for


    The one that was in place the day of the vote

    Or the one that requires a further transfer of powers

    Maybe a European income tax
    Or join a Euro army
    Or if you want to stay in you give up the pound
     
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    The irony is most remainers, particularly the young, would run a mile from joining an army of any shape or size...:grin:
     
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    How do you work out that project fear is now project fact, nobody knows what will occur when we leave, then and only then will the remainer project fear / scaremongering or the leavers look nothing is going to change we’re going to be billions better off scenarios be found out, until then everything said by either side is pie in the sky.
     
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  20. I'm not Stan but sounds a good compromise and if it's true it's reassuring to know he is considering different options. Have to wait and see what the reaction is obviously!
     
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