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Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

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  1. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    I've got to add all of this postulating about Boris and proroguing parliament, he stated it wasn't a very appealing action, he has never once stated that it was his intention, he just said he would leave it on the table as an extra lever to help in his attempt to negotiate a better deal for the UK, he actually wants a better deal.

    The remainers blowing hot and cold about Stewart kings and that he had better watch his step, acting as though they are saving the British Nation.

    God help us what a bunch of spineless, lily livered cowards we have in parliament, they displayed it yet again to us yesterday, useless to the core and they are supposed to represent our nation, beyond belief.
     
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  2. AshtonRed

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    The referendum was simple really , leave or remain, the terms weren’t known at that point, the politicians then were to negotiate the best terms they could, we were never intended to be given an opportunity to get another vote on the terms.

    Lots of people on both sides made claims about what the terms would look like , much like parties do in a GE , we then had to decide who to believe and vote accordingly.

    My view for what it’s worth is I think long term we will be better off being out rather than being in a ever more centralised EU, so on balance I voted leave.

    If I could cherry pick like you suggest by staying in , having the best bits but not the elements I don’t like then i would have voted remain, but that’s not realistic.
     
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  3. BCFCRob

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    Yes exactly this, which has been my point all along over the past 2 pages. The question was completely flawed, because there are so many possibilities on both sides. And claiming 52% voted for no deal is a total fallacy, just like how 48% did not vote to become part of the European state. It was just a complete cluster**** by Cameron in a desperate attempt to win a few more votes - well done mate.
     
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  4. AshtonRed

    AshtonRed Well-Known Member

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    Cameron’s motives were flawed i accept, but giving the public an opportunity to decide if we wanted to come out or stay in most definitely was not , it’s been over 40 years since we last voted on this issue and it’s changed beyond all recognition.

    Whether you believe on being in or not surely you aren’t suggesting the people shouldn’t ever be given the option .
     
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  5. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    The ballot paper for the EU referendum vote has been published .


    What is flawed about the question on the 2016 ballet paper?
     
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  6. oneforthebristolcity

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    Spot on Wiz
    Nothing about deals to remain, nothing about deals to leave......don't really know what all the confusion is all about.
     
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  7. Red Robin

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    Nothing it was a simple in or out.
     
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  8. Big Ern

    Big Ern Lord, Master, Guru & Emperor

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    well, as they're the EU equivalent to parliament civil servants, I'll ask how many parliamentary civil servants you voted for.
    so we have one vote and stick with it? And then what? We wait for a prime minister to die before we have another election? Or is it only votes you won that you want to stick with forever. Nice version of democracy that is.
     
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  9. BCFCRob

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    I believe in the people being given the option. It just shouldn't have been a simple yes or no.

    Well given the question is on the UK's 'membership' of the EU, if we leave so that we are no longer a member, but have the exact same deal as Switzerland, presumably you Brexiteers would be happy with that?

    Of course you wouldn't. As I said, the question was flawed.
     
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  10. Red Robin

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    Hit the nail on the head:emoticon-0115-inlov:emoticon-0115-inlov:emoticon-0115-inlov<cheers><cheers><cheers>


     
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  11. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    For god sake the question was leave or remain, plain and simple, we all voted on that basis, we all know what you want, I simply proved the question as on the ballot paper was not flawed as you described it.
     
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  12. BCFCRob

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    Never fear, the English language will save us!
    But I just proved that it is completely flawed! The question is yes or no regarding the membership. Theoretically, we could still leave and have the exact same position as we are now, just without membership. We could 'deliver Brexit' with no changes whatsoever.

    If that isn't flawed then I don't know what is.
     
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  13. wizered

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    On the ballot paper the question was leave or remain, you might not understand and find it confusing but to us it was plain, simple, straight to the point and clear as crystal.
     
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  14. BCFCRob

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    Yep. We voted leave. So if we leave but with a Switzerland-style deal, will you be happy?

    No. Point proven.
     
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    We accept what comes before us, it was in or out:emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  16. wizered

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    So if I said the Earth was flat, would you suggest - yes if it is Swiss style flat or no British oval?

    The point is as stupid as yours I know.

    Go and have a loolk at the thread Robins in the States, you will find we have gone 3 up.
     
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  17. BCFCRob

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    I'm not sure I understand your analogy? Point is, the fact we can deliver Brexit without it really being Brexit (i.e. like Switzerland) proves the question is flawed. It doesn't achieve what it was designed to do.

    And I'm tracking it on Twitter, think you'll find it's 5 now :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  18. wizered

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    We have an understanding then, I don't understand your analogy either, that is why I described the point as stupid.
    ....I am showing 5 on the other thread but cheers.<ok>
     
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  19. Oldsparkey

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    The ridiculous point trying to be made by some on here retrospectively is that the ballot paper should have had 2 options - Remain whatever, or Leave with a deal when we know what that is. That is not a referedum, it's an open ended invitation to an infinite status quo just like the open ended NI backstop issue.

    The only way we won't leave on 31st October is if this is at the bequest of the EU. This is a bilaterally agreed deadline that either party can request revocation and up till now it's the EU that's been playing hardball over it and putting the onus on the UK.

    If the EU were serious about finding a solution to the present impasse and negotiate, the EU themselves could submit a request/suggestion to the UK for an extension beyond that date because Boris has made it clear he's not going to.

    That may seem too much of a climbdown for them, but if the reasons were an obvious potential shift in the EU position, Boris could then consider this to be acceptable as it was not at his instigation, and reverse his stance.

    This could pave the way to a compromise because under the present circumastances, there wont be one.
     
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  20. wizered

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