Prix de l’Arc de Triomphe 2019

Are you forgetting the other filly SEA OF CLASS. Far too soon to be writing her off. Only run this season on unsuitable ground and was given a pipe opener and nothing more. If she gets the right ground at Longchamp then Enable will have a real race on her hands.
I cannot agree with your comments on Regal Reality. That was the equivalent of Usain Bolt walking to the start of a 100m race and having a hissy fit with a steward along the way.

 

Sea Of Class fighting for her life after career-ending bout of colic
https://www.racingpost.com/news/lat...life-after-career-ending-bout-of-colic/389227

 

Jesus, that is awful news.

Enable will probably go off odds on now, seen nothing else that can lay a glove on her.

 

That's a shame for Sea Of Class, hope she pulls through.

I don't think she would have got close to Enable this year though. Enable ran 7 lbs lower in last season's Arc than the previous year and if Sea Of Class had a chance to beat her it was surely when getting 7lbs from the year older Enable. 7/4 is the top price now and that will probably beat SP as well. It's a very weak looking renewal and Bet Victor have some neck pricing Anthony Van Dyck up at 7/1.

 

It's a complete non-argument as we will now never find out the answer. Sea Of Class was having only her sixth career start when meeting Enable in last years Arc. She ran her a short neck having to weave her way through horses she was making look very slow. It is highly probable that we were still yet to see the best of her.
Its a real shame that we will not see her race again but fingers crossed she recovers and is able to produce some offspring.

 

Devastating for connections. I know the feeling. One of our young colts had the worst twisted gut the vets had ever seen and he came through. Fingers crossed for Sea of Class. Forget any debate about whether she would have beaten Enable. Enable is a once in a lifetime and, without her, Sea of Class would have been an impressive winner of an Arc

From the breeding perspective, there is a risk (having had part of her intestines removed) and it might not be one the owners would want to take. We'll have to wait and see. For now, just hope she comes through it OK

 

I thought the thread was about who would win the Arc. It's obvious that the Filly's well being is the most important thing but Racing goes on and my feeling that Enable would have won the Arc anyway is as valid as anyone's comment. It's only an opinion and if anyone wants to believe that Enable will have been lucky if she does pull off the hat-trick, because Sea Of Class met with tragedy then that is their own personal non-argument.

 

Has anyone read up on what constitutes a non argument? It's a ****in' mine field.

 

My opinion is as valid as yours. You had your say, I had mine. As usual you want the last word.
You may actually land an ante post in the Arc. Well done.

 

Well done on your 4/9 winner of a walkover arc. The purpose of any race is to see a race, and now its a non entity. We may never see 2 once in a lifetime fillys go up again each other, and now we probably never will...

 

Anyone would think that Enable and Sea Of Class were neck and neck in the betting for the Arc before the latter's misfortune. Enable was generally 7/4 and I saw Sea Of Class at 8/1. The Gosden horse was obviously much more fancied.

The way some are talking, Enable only had Sea Of Class as opposition and if that were the case then surely Enable was a good bet when she was 7/2?

If the race is a 4/9 walkover for Enable, why are you not taking the 7/4 that was available? You can still get 6/4 and if you are not willing to take that then it is obvious you don't really believe that the race is a non-event. Why would any sane person eschew 6/4 on a walkover?

We saw the fillies clash last year and Enable was able to concede the 7 lbs despite not being as good as she was the previous season. It's only speculation that it would have been as close this season.

I am not sure how a race where a filly is going for a unique hat-trick can possibly be described as a non-event. Plenty of interest for me whatever price Enable may go off at. If Enable misses the race it is much more wide open but we will all know that it's a second rate renewal.

I must admit to finding it puzzling that someone comes onto a thread where they have contributed nothing, just to have a good moan. Any real Racing fan will be hoping Enable can win her 3rd Arc.

 

The same wonder mare that you opposed in the Eclipse?

Surely it is already second rate when there is no serious opposition.

I hope she does win the Arc but the point that is being made is the one serious opponent will not be there in opposition. You chose to raise the subject saying Enable would have beaten her regardless and then you dont like anyone having a counter argument/opinion.

Are you from Greenford by any chance?

 

The circumstances in the Eclipse were completely different. It was a shorter race, it was her seasonal debut after a long break and she was odds-on. You are are making a really silly statement there.

You keep saying Sea Of Class was the one serious opponent but her odds at the time of her misfortune indicate that she was only considered a serious opponent by a minority of punters. Most firms were 7/4 on Enable and after Sea Of Class was pulled out you could still get 7/4 on Enable. That does not tie in with the only serious opponent being removed does it?

I don't care what other people believe, for that is their prerogative. I am just trying to be realistic and see Enable for what she actually is, and that is an exceptional Arc filly who will have an excellent chance of doing the treble. I just don't buy into the notion that she might luck her way to the hat-trick because last year's runner-up was stuck by tragedy. For all that Sea Of Class went close last year she is a long way away from Enable's achievements and my belief is that there was only one "Once in a lifetime" filly going for the Arc and not two, as some suggest.

 

Enable was 7/2 before the Eclipse, that you opposed her in, post race 7/4 and now 6/4. Sea Of Class was the only other horse in single figures so OBVIOUSLY the only serious danger! Only an idiot can fail to see that, are you an idiot?

Nothing will subtract from any horse who achieves three Arc wins. This though does look the easiest of her three now.

Final point, Sea Of Class made up fifteen lengths from the 400m pole weaving her way through and in another 20m would have been the winner.

 

If there is an idiot it is you. An 8/1 shot is not a serious danger it is a horse who is mighty odds-on NOT to win the race. Last year's Arc is in the book. Enable won it despite not being at her best. It's there in the form book and Sea Of Class would have been 7 lbs worse in this time.

For a total "Non argument" you aren't half arguing the bejesus out of it and you are getting insulting into the bargain. Piss off if that's your attitude.

 

Total prick

 

I am trying my best here. I am sticking to my own opinions and trying to be as subjective as possible in the circumstances. I am not the one slinging insults, I am just stating what I consider to be the logical argument and the facts.

You can still get 13/8 on Enable for the Arc with Ladbrokes and that does not equate to the race being a walkover in my opinion. Others can think what they wish but there is no need to be labelling people idiots or pricks. Stick has been on my back since day one and always claims he is going to ignore me but he's back trolling at every other turn to undermine me at every opportunity. I reckon it's my right to ask someone to bugger off when that is the extent of their contribution. This coming on to threads where you have contributed nothing and then undermining those who have made the effort is the sort of nonsense that leads to threads with next to no input and tumbleweed blowing through the wilderness.

 

You opened the debate then rubbish contributions from others. You don’t get it do you?

 

I can't believe this is still going on. Person A has one opinion. Person B has a different opinion. Nothing wrong with that. Problems start when one tries to convince the other that they are wrong. In my experience that is never wise. We need to graciously accept a different point of view