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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by Des Head, Jun 17, 2019.

  1. Des Head

    Des Head Well-Known Member

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    I don't think comprehensive interviews with Burnsy should be the gold standard. He'd confuse the Queen, and it's her English.
     
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  2. City Man

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    Slutsky>Appleton when it comes to speaking English
     
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  3. Ric Glasgow

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    It's hard to believe that in 2019,prospective employees are being instructed to interview 'specific' candidates due to them being Black or Ethnic!!!

    It's patronising in the extreme and could be construed as some sort of necessary duty due to skin colour/race etc.....It's P.C gone mad!!!

    Employers have the right to employ who they perceive to be the best person for the job....That could be Black,white or even Martian FFS!!!

    What next? I suppose there will be a female or even some transgender person ready to invoke their right to an interview as well?
     
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  4. GLP

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    I don’t think Poch spoke much if any English when he arrived in the UK. His English is pretty good now.
     
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  5. LeftSaidFred

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    West Indians come in all colours, just saying.
     
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  6. Mrs. BLUE_MOUNTAINS_BEAR

    Mrs. BLUE_MOUNTAINS_BEAR Well-Known Member

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    A Hull club employed a coloured professional coach back in the 50's. Believe he was the first in the UK and was hugely successful.
     
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  7. look_back_in_amber

    look_back_in_amber Well-Known Member

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    Coloured? I think you mean black.
     
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  8. BillyBobBallbag

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    It's what oldies call them, I know no offense ment by Mrs BMB
     
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  9. City1904

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    Do I agree with this? No I don't as I agree the appointment of a manager should be the most qualified.

    However, do we need to do something to give BAME candidates a chance? Yes. Do we need to stop the clear institutional racism in football? Yes. Has this been an issue for many years that needs addressing? yes.

    Do I have a better idea? No.

    So I can't really moan about it. Clearly we need to do something about it but as I don't have a better idea I am just going to accept it. No point moaning without suggesting a better alternative unless you feel this isn't an issue.

    Of course we need to solve racism in society in general but that is going to takes years and years and although that's the ultimate solution that's probably not within the remit of any football organisation.
     
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    look_back_in_amber Well-Known Member

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    Yeah I know mate, they don’t realise that it’s offensive to black people. After all we’re all coloured,
     
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  11. originallambrettaman

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    That seems a very weak article, it doesn't explain how there was a three-fold increase in African-American coaches, just saying they were appointed because they were qualified, doesn't explain why they weren't being appointed previously.
     
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  12. Newland Tiger

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    Yes , they were appointed because of their experience and success as assistant coaches . All the Rooney rule meant was that
    they were actually given an interview in the first place . If anything this means it was a success.

    I'm not sure about this in English football but I believe it has actually been in use for some time without really getting
    much publicity.
     
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  13. Quill

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    It's a double edged sword. We shouldn't be forcing clubs to oblige to interview people, but at the same time the institutionalised racism in the sport means that we have to do something.


    I agree with City1904 - these people need to be given a chance, and while I'm not sure this is the best way to go about it, I have no idea what is the best way to go about it.


    For now, while a flawed concept, it's a much better solution than doing the square root of **** all, so I support it.
     
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  14. Brabs

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    The Rooney rule had a direct impact for NFL so I don't see why it shouldn't be trialed here.
     
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    Where does institutionalised racism still exists within English football compared to a generation ago?
     
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  16. RichardG

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    I know. It shouldn't be an issue. But it is.

    Employers will still have the right to 'employ who they perceive to be the best person for the job'. They'll just have to interview a BAME candidate. Not give that candidate a job, simply interview him.

    That's whataboutery. But if it is ever an issue, it will be dealt with on its own merits (or lack of them). The Rooney Rule seems like a no-brainer to me, and the example in the US, while not free of issues, shows that it can improve a problematic situation. I look forward to a time when the Rooney Rule isn't needed. But for now, looking at the under-representation of BAME coaches in football, it is.
     
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    It’s not hard to believe at all. It prevents employers from discriminating against people because of the colour of their skin, the employer isn’t obliged to employ said person, just to simply grant them an interview.

    The way you’re wording it sounds like you would be in favour of being able to do that?
     
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  18. Ric Glasgow

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    Are you suggesting in your veiled insinuation that I'm not racially tolerant Stephen?In your attempt at nit picking my post you seem to have come to your own conclusions!!!
     
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  19. Steven Toast

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    Well. You called something attempting bring a little more equality into the world of football “PC gone mad”. You don’t seem very happy about the idea.

    So, by elimination, you must prefer the option of no Rooney rule.

    I mean, I’m looking at the conclusions YOU drew up for me, there aren’t many other ways to interpret it.
     
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  20. Ric Glasgow

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    Well I'm clearly not alone in that department Stephen.Let's take Kieron Dyer for example who's quoted as saying "I don't want to be interviewed because it's filling a quota"...Or how about Titus Bramble who labelled the Rooney Rule "A disgrace"?

    I mean would you want to be interviewed due to compliance or sit waiting on a courtesy call knowing that you have to be interviewed as part of a Rule?
     
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