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  1. wizered

    wizered Ol' Mucker
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    <laugh><laugh>
     
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    A YouGov poll found 47 per cent of the public think Boris Johnson can defeat Labour and Nigel Farage - while just 22 per cent think he would lose
     
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    I would love to see a TV debate, and not just a half hour debate but a good 2 hour debate, between Farage, Boris and Corbyn, where you don't have someone to interrupt them but instead just let them battle it our with their words. It would be so funny I reckon. Their true colours would stand out when they are angry and being attacked without someone calming things to allow them to gather their thoughts and allow them thinking time to reply.
     
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    Channel 4 debate later at 6:30pm with the PM candidates <ok>
     
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    Boris isn’t taking part in the Channel 4 debate tonight
     
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    He doesn't really need to as he is already in the final 2. If he did get involved, he will just open his mouth and say something dumb which will ruin his chances in the final. His advisors has made the right decision for him. Unfortunately for us as it would have been a comedy show!
     
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    I agree, but from our perspective, it’s a bit worrying that the guy that’s likely to be our next PM can’t be trusted not to say something dumb.
     
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    That man should never be given a position of authority over anyone ..... ever.

    Neither should Corbyn either mind.

    They are both as dangerous as each other for the British economy, but Bj is arguably more dangerous internationally because of his foot-in-mouth diplomacy.
    God help us all.
     
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    Boris Johnson said Britain’s continued membership of the EU would be a “boon for the world and for Europe” in an unpublished newspaper column in which he wrestles with his decision to back or oppose Brexit.
    The foreign secretary has since insisted the column was intended merely as a tool for his own thought process, calling it “semi-parodic” in tone.
    In a Telegraph article, written days before a published version in which he backed leaving, Johnson wrote of the EU: “This is a market on our doorstep, ready for further exploitation by British firms. The membership fee seems rather small for all that access. Why are we so determined to turn our back on it?”
    “Everybody was trying to make up their minds about whether or not to leave the European Union and it is perfectly true that back in February I was wrestling with it, like I think a lot of people in this country, and I wrote a long piece which came down overwhelmingly in favour of leaving,” he told Sky News.
    “I then thought I better see if I can make the alternative case for myself so I then wrote a sort of semi-parodic article in the opposite sense, which has mysteriously found its way into the paper this morning because I think I might have sent it to a friend.
    But I set them side by side and it was blindingly obvious what the right
    thing to do was, and I think the people made the right decision
    , they voted very substantially to leave the European Union, that is what we’re going to do and we’re going to make a great success of it.”
    The published column, which appeared in the Sunday Times, is highly critical of the EU as an institution and the renegotiation deal sought by David Cameron. “We are being outvoted ever more frequently,” Johnson wrote. “The ratchet of integration clicks remorselessly forward.
    There is going to be more and more of this stuff; and I can see why people might just think, to hell with it. I want out. I want to take back control of our democracy and our country. If you feel that, I perfectly understand – because half the time I have been feeling that myself. And then the other half of the time, I have been thinking: hmmm. I like the sound of freedom; I like the sound of restoring democracy. But what are the downsides – and here we must be honest.”
    The existence of the article, in which he also warned that Brexit would cause an “economic shock” and could lead to the breakup of the United Kingdom, was revealed in the book All Out War: the Full Story of How Brexit Sank Britain’s Political Class, by the newspaper’s Sunday Times’s political editor, Tim Shipman.
    “There is the worry about Scotland, and the possibility that an English-There is the worry about Scotland, and the possibility that an English-only “leave” vote could lead to the break-up of the union,” Johnson wrote. “There is the Putin factor: we don’t want to do anything to encourage more shirtless swaggering from the Russian leader, not in the Middle East, not anywhere.”

    In 2012, Johnson called for a referendum on staying in a reformed EU, which was "boiled down" to the single market.
    "We could construct a relationship with the EU that more closely resembled that of Norway or Switzerland - except that we would be inside the single market council, and able to shape legislation" Johnson said. 4 years before ….. but with reservations

    a repeat of all that the scribe wish's to comment on ….
     
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  10. johngalleyfan2

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    by whom?
    if i said " I am going to stop smoking before the end of the year, and do so after 7 months I have done as I said .. or I am going to resign from my post as Hon Sec before the next AGM and do so after hallway through the year I have done as I said …. so whats so different about Cameron stating he is not going to do a full term but stand down after the referendum …………… he did as he said!
     
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    we were all aware Cameron was going to leave … he said so ……………...
     
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    a worse case scenario to that Dawn Butler … now how she can actually sit there with that face like a slapped a** making those idiot grins and grimaces is beyond me …. I bet she goes home and sits down to watch a recording of PMQ'S and all thinks parliament ...reminds me of that film where the person thought they were the most thing in the world and dived into the swimming pool with a splash bigger than that of a hippo falling off a cliff into the sea when the tide is in …….
     
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  13. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    Indeed, I fully agree. But at the same time I suppose his job is not to impress the public at this stage. His job at this stage is to impress the other Tory members. He doesn't need to do TV debates to do that. Instead, he is wisely using this time to speak to Tory members to gain their support. However, he is doing the BBC debate tomorrow. Maybe he thought no point doing both TV debates repeating the same stuff all over again. Just a waste of his time. And I am sure his advisors have taken note of what the other candidates said last night in their answers and will prep BoJo to rip them apart in tomorrows debate. All wise moves. So although I fully agree with you that our perspective of him is he is a coward for not doing last nights debate and that he cant be trusted to say something to ruin his chances, I don't think he actually cares what the public think of him. He is more interested in what the Tory members think. They are the ones who will get him the PM job. He can then concentrate on us public when it comes to a general election, which I wouldn't be surprised if that happens by the end of this year!
     
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    One thing to remember is the ones who vote Boris in are the same ones who voted May in. Hope they’ve learnt their lessons there.
     
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    I believe the ERG have said they will join The Brexit Party if whoever becomes PM does not take us out, with , or without a deal, at the end of Oct.
     
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    I don’t see how anyone, even Boris, could do that. They need parliament to approve - and the Tories have a tiny minority propped up by the DUP - who hate the backstop so won’t support anything with that, or a hard border (No Deal would mean a hard border).
    It’s a stalemate, which won’t be broken until one No-deal Brexit supporting party gets a majority and therefore a mandate to deliver it.
    Boris is again promising stuff he can’t deliver..........
     
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    The Yanks got to the moon, all the fantastic medical advances, invented the Internet...... the list is endless.
    Yet the Irish border can't be solved.

    Someone's having a laugh.
     
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    Chinese landed on the darkside, I wonder if they found any remoaners.:emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    They have found some very disgruntled Hong Kong residents though !!!!!

    And the Remoaners (that can hurt Brexit) are all democratically elected MPs in the House of Commons.
    I’m a Remainer it’s true, but my comment about Boris - or anyone - being unable to deliver a No-deal Brexit wasn’t driven by my Remainer tendencies - it is a genuine prediction of what I think will happen.
    If the bungling Boris gets in and wants Brexit to be quick, he will need to hold a GE as soon as possible to ‘guarantee’ a mandate (we’ll see if that works......)
    God I wish this would just ....... end.
     
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    Did they really land on the moon?
    No one has been there since 72.

    Bit like since we all carry mobile phones with cameras no one has spotted UFO’s or Nessie
































    I still believe that man did walk on the moon, just thought I would throw that out there
     
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