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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

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  1. Staines R's

    Staines R's Well-Known Member

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    What is that money used, or meant to be used for G ? Any ideas ?
     
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  2. sb_73

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    Replicating the approach used in Glasgow, which has been very successful. I think this includes education initiatives like the one you are involved in.
     
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  3. BobbyD

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    Not that I'm for or against sadiq but these initiatives take places over many years right so you wouldnt necessarily see knife crime go down until all the education/generation change kicks in?
     
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  4. BobbyD

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    Last thing to add about hk, the income inequality is disgusting and probably is one of the worst in the world (i havent checked) but with the opening of the borders, rampant property speculation and not really much land to build more properties, its pretty much impossible for young people or anyone really to get on the property ladder.

    Also there used to be quite a lot of independent stores/food places but they are getting kicked out cause of rising rents and just replaced by chains which is a big bug of hkers as chinese people love eating.
     
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    Blinding tune, especially like the line 'Flame your crew quicker than Trump ****s his youngest'
     
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    Stop and search would help. Presumably Khan is against this on racial prejudice grounds and doesn't want to lose his voters
     
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  7. Stroller

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    Wasn't it a Tory Home Secretary (Mrs May) that put the block on stop-and-search?
     
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    It certainly was! She (I think) did change it slightly as PM.
     
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    What a ridiculous statement.
     
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  10. Goldhawk-Road

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    Not at all. Khan relied a lot on the black, asian and ethnic vote. And it's there that there has been most resistance to stop and search in the past. He may well be pussy footing with his voters on this issue. Theresa May did something similar.
     
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  11. Goldhawk-Road

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    Yes, and it was a disaster.
     
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  12. Stroller

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    But you're blaming Khan?
     
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    But it wasnt his policy to make or unmake so that doesnt make any sense.
     
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  14. Goldhawk-Road

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    That was a long time ago. Khan was incredibly against stop and search, largely for political purposes, it could be argued. Now he has free rein and the money to bring it back, and he's paying lip service to bringing it back but not much more it seems.
     
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    Yes, he has the powers now in London. May's policy is gone, it was years ago. Rudd would go with targeted stop and search. So too Javid. Khan has to get on with it, but he has traditionally been totally against it. Someone needs to grab this by the balls
     
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    My youngest kids are mixed race and I personally wouldn’t give a **** if they were stopped and searched when they are older. I’d like to think they are not stupid enough to carry a knife, and if they are then they should suffer the consequences
    All this ‘it’s racist’ bollox just fudges the issue. It needs to be stopped sooner rather than later.
     
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    It's a nationwide initiative, supported by the Police, Government and the Scottish NHS....I've been up here 20 years, and knife crime has drastically reduced in that time, even where I live, about 20 miles outside of Glasgow. They do great work.....


    Violence Reduction Unit Scotland | http://actiononviolence.org/

    Violence is preventable - not inevitable

    The Scottish Violence Reduction Unit is a national centre of expertise on violence. Part of Police Scotland the VRU targets violence wherever it occurs whether it’s on the streets, in schools or in our homes. Supported by the Scottish Government the unit has adopted a public health approach, treating violence as an infection which can be cured. The VRU is the only police member of the World' Health Organisation's Violence Prevention Alliance. The VRU believe violence is preventable – not inevitable.

    More about us

    Projects
    The SVRU runs a number of projects all aimed at reducing violence. From MVP Scotland's largest anti-violence schools programme to the social enterprise Street & Arrow which serves up second chances to people with convictions.

    Find more
     
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    It’s a combination of getting to gang members and making sure that they understand the consequences of knife crime, with education delivered by people like Stainsey and also many ex gang members, and a zero tolerance approach on the streets and in the courts - for example no bail for people caught carrying a knife. Yes it will take years, which is why they need to start full on and fund it properly, plus coordinate all the different agencies, state and voluntary, involved. In Scotland the emphasis has been at least partly on offering the kids of gang members a way not to follow their fathers.

    Oops, Steels beat me to it with much more comprehensive information.
     
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    This seems very similar to what we do, go in to schools in a multi agency approach with LAS/Police/Magistrate/Youth Groups all appearing during the day and giving information and advice about what the dangers are of carrying a knife.
    Personally I found the LAS presentation both informative and very emotional.
    One of my colleagues who gives the talks also lost her son to knife crime and appears in a video that is played. The faces of the kids when they realised who she was, was very emotional and I’m not sorry to say, when I first saw it, I too shed a tear.
    I’m looking forward to volunteering to do more as soon as possible.
     
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    Heard this on the news today, think there's a program on tonight about it.....

    Liverpool teenagers 'paid money to stab other youths' - BBC News https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-48647788
     
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