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Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

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  1. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

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    It's more than I'd thought I'll grant you. I wouldn't start celebrating over trade deals with South Korea, Switzerland and Norway though. Included in those trade deals are the economic giants of Iceland, Fiji, Faroe Islands, Papua New Guinea and the Caribbean countries (Belize, Guyana, Saint Lucia, etc).
     
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  2. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    My thoughts exactly <ok>
     
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  3. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    I didn't know the countries so if you are right..... I can see why it was kept on the down low <laugh>
     
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    So far the UK has agreed "continuity" deals with 10 countries and regions. These are:
    Mutual recognition agreements
    The UK has also signed deals with the United States, Australia and New Zealand, but these are "mutual recognition agreements" and not free trade agreements.

    The Australia and New Zealand deal replicates all aspects of the current EU agreements when it comes to recognising product standards, such as the labelling and certifying of wine.

    The US agreement will, according to the Department for International Trade, particularly benefit the pharmaceutical sector which accounts for around £7.7bn of UK exports to the US - about 18% of the total.

    With the countries where the UK has no formal trade agreement, both would have to trade under the rules overseen by the World Trade Organization (WTO)
     
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  5. BCFCRob

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    Interesting. I will concede that I didn't know all of that so fair play. Though fact is, those trade deals are just the tip of the iceberg - we'd still have an enormous way to go to get trade deals with the significantly large markets. The average time for a trade deal to be struck is 8 years, as the implementation can actually take longer than the negotiation. But based on that, I'll upgrade the Tories' trade deal work from 'piss poor' to 'poor' <cheers>.

    Not too clued up on mutual recognition agreements but I think they help solve some of the issues I relayed about different product standards on here recently. Again, a help, but unless you have exactly the same MRA's as the EU have with the rest of the world then we will still have significant problems with the Irish border regarding trade.
     
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  6. BCFCRob

    BCFCRob Well-Known Member

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    Just to put it into perspective, the sum of those agreements leaves us with trade deals with 5.6% of the world economy.

    Long old way to go before you crack the champagne.
     
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    Anyone got a length of rope? <doh>
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    Some remainers I know think if we leave on 'no deal' then we will be stuck on WTO forever. After I explained we will only be on it until a deal was made, they were surprised and felt more easy about a no deal scenario.
     
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    This is one reason I didn’t like the EU. I think they allowed our government to shaft the pensioners of this country, the ones who fought in the war that some refer to as well.



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  11. Red Robin

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    Boris Johnson amassed the most support of the Conservative leadership hopefuls at the 92 Group hustings on Monday evening.

    Johnson received 34 endorsements; Dominic Raab was second on 18 with Michael Gove and Esther McVey both on 6 votes respectively.

    The 92 Group is a faction of the Conservative parliamentary party whose aim is to “keep the Conservative Party conservative”. It was a prominent advocate of Thatcherism during the Iron Lady’s tenure in 10 Downing Street.

    The result of the hustings was as follows:

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    NEW. This is what I’ve been sent on the ‘92 Group Hustings (to the right of the party). Johnson romped home. Raab fading >> Johnson: 34 Raab: 18 Gove: 6 McVey: 6 Harper: 5 Javid: 5 Hunt: 2 Leadsom: 2 Hancock: 0 Stewart: 0


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    The result gives a good indication as to whom the Eurosceptic wing of the Conservatives will back to make the final leadership ballot which goes out to the membership. Dominic Raab and Esther McVey will be disappointed that their campaign launches on Monday afternoon have failed to ring through, as will Michael Gove whose rebuttal on Monday of Mark Francois’ assessment that he is not a “proper Brexiteer” also failing to resonate.


    Predictably, Remainers Hancock, Stewart and Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt received just two votes between them as persuading the Eurosceptics that replacing Theresa May with another advocate of Remain proved to be a lost cause.

    Bookies favourite Boris Johnson told the hustings he will ensure the party delivers an election victory “when it comes”.
     
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  12. Red Robin

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    The sooner people realise we have been a milking cow for the EU the frigging better.

    Can't wait for the day to happen we have been mugged big time since being coaxed into the EU.
     
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    Thanks Rod for posting this.

    In the week of D Day celebration it's ironic the country that stood in 39 fighting against German domination is the one country that's been well and truly shafted by Europe.

    In the interest of fairness could Rob or any 'remainer' justify the disparity between EU and UK pensioners.
     
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    Sorry , didn’t read the whole post, I do get your point about different voting habits at GE, but The Brexit party doesn’t have any other policies at present, they did that on purpose, it was a conscious decision to attract as many Brexit voters as possible, my post explained once they decide on other policies they will lose left or right wing Brexiteers ,that’s the point you missed,

    As for voters being loyal , again this was a free hit , a government wasn’t being decided upon , neither would a loss effect the numbers in parliament greatly, so people were free to vote The Brexit Party , but they didn’t . I think in a GE voters would be far more likely to vote ‘loyaly’ As you put it .
     
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    your sarcasm shows no bounds … and your flippancy continues to entertain … a bitter disappointment that we are able to negotiate our free trade deals ….
     
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  16. johngalleyfan2

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    The germans more so than the French divide their salaries up into 3 main pockets … the Germans FIRST thought is holidays … they put away money to ensure if nothing else each year they can celebrate or drown their sorrows with a couple of weeks on the beach … to achieve the pension they put in a much greater amount toward it than we do …
    I sold pensions for a number of years [ one of main 7 categories ..info for ROD ] the response was difficult to apprehend .. younger people under early 20's wanted to live now pay later I had a chart that showed just .5% of their monthly earnings [circa £5 a month ] would hardly be missed but at age 65 would be worth £x,000's [ about 10 times current salary ] response but that x pints of beer a month … germans response likely be what would it be if I PUT IN .75% .. [ granted this is private pensions ] but GERMANS French PAY MORE into government taxes for theirs …. ]
    EVERTHING is relative …
     
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  17. Oldsparkey

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    Elected servants of this country usurping democracy once again. The referendum asked whether we should leave the EU or not - plain and simple.

    The democratic result was not qualified to the effect that we would not leave the EU without a deal, nor did it give the right to those elected MP's to impose that sanction.

    Total disregard by those who do not agree with the decision of the electorate. Leave means leave - no qualifications.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48598760
     
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  18. RedorDead

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    I take it you didn’t read the attachment? It was regarding our government over the EU
     
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  19. BCFCRob

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    I’m on holiday so won’t be posting much but as you asked, I won’t pretend to have the slightest clue about how any of that works. But happy to defer to RoD’s judgement on that one.

    It’s important to bear in mind that being a remainer doesn’t mean agreeing with everything the EU says and does.
     
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  20. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    I don't think they did it on purpose. They only just set themselves up as a party 6/7 weeks ago on the sole reason to make Brexit happen. They haven't yet had chance to set up a manifesto. I don't think they will even get a manifesto sorted until it is known that there will be a general election. I didn't miss your point, I just don't agree with it.

    As for the vote in Peterborough being classed as a "free hit", that may be so for some but not for all. My mum for example has always voted for Labour. She hates Corbyn. She hates how downhill the Labour party has gone. She hates the constant mixed messages that Labour MP's have been giving around the Brexit topic. She wants to leave the EU as well by the way. But she will always vote Labour. No matter what. It frustrates the hell out of me. But if she does this, even in "free hit" elections, then I can guarantee you that she wouldn't be a lone in doing so. I could even argue that there could have easily been at least 700 voters in the Peterborough area that is like minded. Which as a result was enough to win that election. Just saying!
     
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