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Off Topic Brexiterrs vote today

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  1. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    Exactly what I said the other day on this thread <ok>
     
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  2. Captain Jack Sparrow

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    Peterborough has always been hard Labour/Tory area. Any other party will struggle to win this seat. Coming 2nd is a good result. There will be other areas where voters are not as loyal to the 2 big parties where Brexit will win.
     
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    Found this interesting....

    A parliamentary question from MP John Mann, revealed that the UK paid out £674 million to EU countries for their health costs last year - but received only £49 million in return.

    Notable figures include:

    UK pays France: £147,685,772
    France pays UK: £6,730,292

    UK pays Germany: £25,873,954
    Germany pays UK: £2,189,664

    UK pays Italy: £7,304,484
    Italy pays UK: £1,510,850

    UK pays Poland: £4,336,701
    Poland pays UK: £1,523,402

    UK pays Spain: £223,290,021
    Spain pays UK: £3,412,338

    The MP said "Sorting this scandal out in itself would transform the financial situation of the NHS. This is a shambolic state of affairs and we are being played for fools."
     
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  4. RedorDead

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    Or maybe those other countries are healthier than us Brits and didn’t need as much medical attention?
     
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    Most areas are either of these two Parties, the only other ones are Lib Dem’s , which are Remianers , I’m not sure where these seats are you talk about .

    The Brexit party need people who traditionally vote Labour or Tory to vote for them instead, as Lib Dem’s are pretty much all Remailers. My point was therefore as 60% of Peterborough voted out logic would suggest this is the kind of seat that would be more likely to vote for The Brexit Party.

    I watched part of the program where the count was done , it’s not a seat that is staunch Labour or Tory, it’s fluctuated between the two in recent elections . That coupled with the fact it voted around 62% to leave , I’m not sure there are many seats more likely to vote for a Party solely dedicated to leaving.

    The Brexit Party’s best hope is as the turn out is generally higher In a GE this may have a bearing.

    I want us to leave , I am sympathetic to The Brexit Party , only for this one issue I hasten to add, but being objective this is exactly the kind of seat they need to win.
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    Do you believe that RoD?
     
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    If this is true it is scandalous.
    The sooner we get out of this straight jacket the better.
    We are being milked on a massive scale.
    How any body can say we are better of in.
    We are being taken as mugs.
     
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    Maybe. Or maybe there are more Brits abroad than Europeans here in the UK so costs would be more going abroad? If this money is for Brits in other countries then great. Its nice to know our government are helping us Brits wherever we are. But if its not for this then it doesn't look good and just fuels what people believe about wanting to leave the EU <ok>
     
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    That’s the only thing I can think off, is we pay for the Brits abroad needing medical help and they pay when their nationals are in this country needing medical help.
    I can’t see any reason why we would just say here you take this and we will charge this.
    We do also have a lot of Brits abroad on holidays more than Europeans over here on holidays.
     
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    I know what your point is but I am thinking you are missing my point. Referendum had leave or remain. Around 62% (as you say) voted leave. In an election though, people are not voting leave or remain. They are voting for the party they want to take them forward. You will always have voters loyal to Labour and the Tories regardless of what they voted in the referendum. Therefore, although the area was mainly in favour to leave the EU, some of those voters who still want to leave would have still loyally voted Labour or Tory in the election. I certainly wasn't expecting a win for the Brexit party in Peterborough. I thought Brexit party would come 3rd/4th behind the big 2 and possibly behind the Lib Dems. I've said before on page 17 (here is the post).... https://www.not606.com/threads/brexiterrs-vote-today.374602/page-17#post-12877124 what I feel would happen in a full general election and that I felt the Brexit party won't be in the top 3. But this local election in Peterborough was really interesting to me. After reading my comment on page 17, where I feel the Lib Dems will probably win a general election if it was now, I expected a better number of votes for them in Peterborough, where they instead did poorly. Peterborough is an area most different to other other areas where it has been hugely dominated by the big 2 and I know there are a areas very similar btw. Who really would want to vote for Labour with Corbyn in charge, who has been a very weak leader of the opposition and the party argue amongst themselves about Brexit and really no one actually knows where they stand on Brexit. Yet they won Peterborough. They won because of loyalty and nothing else. Who really would vote for the Tories after the mess they have made with Brexit and other things too like Universal Credit? Who would vote for them when no one knows who will be the next PM in that party. I have heard so many loyal Tory voters say they won't vote Tory again if Boris is the PM for example. I still however expected them to win or come 2nd behind Labour because of loyalty. However, a new party, just 6 weeks old, with no manifesto, with just 1 policy (currently) which is to leave the EU, overtook the Tories, they embarrassed the Lib Dems (and the Lib Dems are the remain party so the majority in Peterborough still is in favour of Brexit as Brexit party beat the Lib Dems here) and only just lost to Labour by just over 600 votes. Sorry, but I think the Brexit party did extremely well considering all of the above. And I bet there were a good number of Brexiteers who didn't vote in this election because they were pissed off about the last 3 years and vowed never to vote again, who would have voted Brexit party if they had bothered.
    Just my humble opinion of course. As a Brexiteer myself, I still realise that any election (local or general) will still have loyal voters for the big 2 parties. And it will get worse for the Brexit party if either the big 2 learn anything from the Euro elections, if they take the side of Brexit, they will probably take a lot of voters away from the Brexit party. If they decide to take the side of remain then they will probably take a lot of voters away from the Lib Dems. It will always be Labour or Tories im afraid to say <ok>

    ps, sorry for the essay :)
     
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    Indeed. Just another example of me showing that although I am a Brexiteer, im not completely blinkered here <laugh>
     
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    Rumours circulating that the vote was rigged and tampered with in Peterborough.
    They just did not want the Brexit party to win.
     
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    or more of us go over there and less of them come here .. plus if you go over there they are instantly into fill in these forms and wring out every penny having quite a bit of involvement with students from uni's across the west when 1 broke their arm [ Spanish ] we took them to BRI ...they were x rayed . consulted and plastered given box pain killers etc the only details taken were name address [ uni] d o b next of kin sister ad same [ uni ] …… when I had a accident in France .. bloke on phone went into back of veh … I was given the third degree had to hand over my passport form from NHS … had to pay for my own medicine!
     
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    thought it was the start of a book!
     
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    That was also similarly to what I quoted in post #469.
    But what you’re saying is our own countries fault in paper filling not the EU’s. If our NHS filled out their home address then we could then charge our counterparts the correct money. I’m not a lover of the EU but surely we can’t blame them for us not filling out correct paperwork.?
     
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    so it seems I posted as read it SO ON THE WAVELENGTH THERE ….
    Absolutely …. it has been news in the past the number of people from Europe that come over here for medical treatment and don't pay!
    there is a whole can of worms revolving around "cheating" the NHS, but PC and other related "offences that would be caused if stating it" prohibits discussion on a forum ….
     
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    my daughter as an aside had 3 children .. the first [ all 3 were easy deliveries] in hospital for 3 days second in hospital less than 24 hours 3rd in hospital 6 hours … the latter 2 due to the wards [ maternity hospital ] was crammed by [ what appeared to be and nurses stated ]Ethiopian and Somalia families who had no respect for visiting hours /numbers around beds /hygiene .. and none that we witnessed ever used the hand wash after the loo or upon arrival and had children that were just running around all over the place...……. 2 mums left my daughter and another lady at the same time …. just picked up the kids and left the ward and phoned home!
     
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    THE DEPARTMENT FOR TRADE HAS ANNOUNCED THAT THE UK HAS SIGNED A NEW TRADING AGREEMENT.
    As the UK prepares to leave the EU on the 31st of October, the government is trying to secure dozens fo existing trading deals which the UK enjoys via membership of the European Union to continue in the event the UK leaves with a so-called ‘no deal’. 12 of the 40 EU free trade agreements (FTAs) secured for the UK so far.

    Johnson and Raab, two Tory leadership candidates have both confirmed that the UK will be leaving with or without a deal on the 31st of October.


    Dr Liam Fox today confirmed a trading agreement worth around £14 billion with South Korea. This is one of the largest trading agreements secured by the UK yet.

    UK-Korea trading has increased at a rate of 12% per year since 2011. Nearly 7,000 British businesses in 2017 were exporting goods to Korea. 5,400 Korean companies were exporting to the UK.

    The UK sold £943 million of British made cars to South Korea in 2018, a 30% increase.

    UK’s Deputy Ambassador to South Korea, said: “Liam Fox announces continuity #FTA in principle b/w UK and South Korea.

    “This will continue to allow significant tariff-free bilat trade post-Brexit & sets ambition for future agreement. Culmination of great cooperation b/w UK in Korea, Foreign Office and Trade Department Korean counterparts.”

    “Why does UK-South Korea continuity #FTA in principle matter?


    “Gives certainty and confidence to our businesses that existing arrangements will continue once we have left #EU.

    UK’s Deputy Ambassador to South Korea, said: “Liam Fox announces continuity #FTA in principle b/w UK and South Korea.

    “This will continue to allow significant tariff-free bilat trade post-Brexit & sets ambition for future agreement. Culmination of great cooperation b/w UK in Korea, Foreign Office and Trade Department Korean counterparts.”

    “Why does UK-South Korea continuity #FTA in principle matter?


    “Gives certainty and confidence to our businesses that existing arrangements will continue once we have left #EU.
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    12 trade deals secured already, out of the 40 free trade deals that we had already while in the EU? That is brilliant news. Here was I thinking, due to what all the doom and gloomers were saying, that we won't have and trade deals when we leave the EU and it will take years to get any deals. Yet we already have 12 set up from what we had while in the EU? Why hasn't this been all over the news? This sort of info would be positive news and could make some remainers think that it is not actually as bad as they thought. And this trade deal with South Korea is a very good story, so why isn't this a main story on the news? Is this the press trying to hide positive Brexit news for their own negative agenda?
     
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    Because it's the BBC. <ok>
     
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