Off Topic Politics Thread

Staying will cost us more too, the new EU budget will take care of that!

 

firstly, I never mentioned Scotland in my first several posts. This was your rant, not mine, i was going by your stats for my one afterthought in trying to help you understand what i was talking about using your rant after you said scotland get 7% more. And as i said, this doesn't affect my argument. Ive not even looked at any articles on how much scotland put into the NHS despite your claims of hypocrisy.

 

I know it wasn't you that brought it up. Someone else brought up an article that singled out that Wales and Scotland spent more on elderly care than England. I was merely stating that this was a very simplistic way of looking at things. I think we all know that the health service is not delivering. Most of the arguments between right and left is the left want to throw more money at it while the right think that the money is not being well spent.

My other point was that comparing the service in (most of England) to Scotland and Wales is not really something that can be assessed by spending amounts or waiting times and especially not if singling out one particular aspect purely on monetary spending terms.

We may as well just say England is doing the best because we have longer life expectancy than them. It would be equally misleading.

 

Well the left is certainly correct in this case. the NHS is very efficient.

 

And, don't even ask about the eduaction record in Scotland under the SNP, another area they are for which they are fully responsible.

 

Someone best tell the SNP then seeing as they are expecting more efficiency cuts than NHS England are. If you believe that the SNP are left that is.

 

What the what?

 

2000 a month. eee when I were a lad I worked for 10 quid a day, ****ed up my back picking up heavy rolls of turf and never got no compensation or sick pay. They were the days (you know before all that new fangled workers rights ****) Welcome to the world of paying your own way. (and look after your back)

 

And here's the crux of the issue: you are blaming immigrants for problems that really have little to nothing to do with immigrants. There are a whole host of things that have led to this point, from the "reforms" of Thatcher to global trends in offshoring and manufacturing, to post-2008 austerity, and none of them have a damned thing to do with immigrants.

 

Nice one, Imps! You serious, or what?

My 96 year old mother is currently in QA and they’re looking after her magnificently (and for free). If Farage et al got their way, she wouldn’t be in there because she couldn’t afford it or the insurance to cover it. They can **** right off

 

And by the way. I bet many couldn't afford it either. Imps among us. Impsaint, don't be foolish enough to let your ideological beliefs destroy your own life. The bible that is preached to you is not aimed at making your life better. It is written to make the top 1% better off, and to enslave you. Don't make life easier for them when it's easy enough.

 

Imps, you and a colleague working 40 hours a week instead of 60 is a job for someone else. I've worked in counties where that's actively encouraged. What effect are long term 60 hour weeks going to have on your health and family? Better hope a functioning NHS is there if or more likely when you need.

 

That’s not why they won’t listen. It’s because logic can’t trump passion and they have a passionate belief in the new Great Britain we are going to create

 

I’m afraid I’m going to have to ask about education in Scotland. Are you saying education standards in Scotland are behind those in England and Wales? I didn’t know that, can you educate me please?

 

Never a truer word spoken about politics. My very first comment on the referendum, upon its announcement, was that the mail and the sun would have the biggest impact on the result. Any result.

 

Public Opinion by Walter Lippmann.

Not sure if it’s been discussed on this thread before, but a book written in the 1920s which warns of the power of media

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Opinion_(book)

The introduction describes man's inability to interpret the world: "The real environment is altogether too big, too complex, and too fleeting for direct acquaintance" between people and their environment. People construct a pseudo-environment that is a subjective, biased, and necessarily abridged mental image of the world, and to a degree, everyone's pseudo-environment is a fiction. People "live in the same world, but they think and feel in different ones."

 

Having worked for a number of large employers, I can assure you Imps that terms and conditions for Unionised employees are invariably way better than for those who have no representation.

But you carry on doffing your cap to the people who are exploiting you, while blaming immigrants (many of whom are presumably your colleagues) for your poor pay and conditions.

Meanwhile, the good employers frequently get undercut by the bad. But let me remind you who it was that won court cases against the nefarious activities of employers like Uber and Deliveroo - that’s right, Trade Unions. Many of whose members are immigrants.

 

Terrific couple of minutes on emotional appeals without substance in politics (see Farage, Trump, etc) and on how to counter them - it's in the second of these tweets



Vin

 

Imps, genuine question: How would you feel if a few hundred Scottish people came to your area and thus depressed the need for local workers? Would you have the same view as you do when people come from other parts of the EU?

Vin

 

Why on earth would he??..........Are you suggesting because We voted leave my Scottish relatives wouldn't be welcome down here if the need arrived.......I don't believe Imps has anything against Europeans or anyone. The Scottish, Welsh or Northern Irish are British are they not??. They are no different from someone coming from London because its too expensive to live up there........or retiring to Bournemouth as a lot of them do!!