1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Unai Emery: In or Out?

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by BrunelGooner, Feb 17, 2019.

?

Do you still support Unai Emery?

  1. Yes

    12 vote(s)
    80.0%
  2. No

    2 vote(s)
    13.3%
  3. Undecided

    1 vote(s)
    6.7%
  1. TheBear

    TheBear Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    11,465
    Likes Received:
    1,934
    I kinda feel for Emery. By all accounts he's not going to have the biggest transfer warchest this Summer and will have to sell in order to free up more money.

    This creates a few problems:

    Less time to get the squad together
    Less time for the new players to integrate

    Hopefully the Adidas deal will help facilitate at least on big signing.
     
    #41
  2. gills4prem

    gills4prem Active Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2011
    Messages:
    198
    Likes Received:
    56
    If only we can sell our players instead of letting them walk..
    Please hope we don't continue this tend.
     
    #42
  3. The Ides of March

    The Ides of March Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2011
    Messages:
    12,778
    Likes Received:
    4,686
    And if Wolves or Watford win the Cup, the team finishing 6th could well be starting the season in mid or late July in the EL qualifying rounds, and as we know this has happened to a club with a far finer pedigree than anyone in the EPL - AC Milan at the start of this season.
     
    #43
  4. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    4,405
    Likes Received:
    2,752
    Regardless of whether we win the EL or not, I've seen enough from Emery to think he can turn our fortunes around.

    The main thing I wanted to see was improvements from where he had to pick the squad up from and he has done that.

    We finished 1 point off 4th, so we have a higher league position than last year and were more competitive, we have a higher points tally, we have won more away games, we have seen improvements in player performance and their running distances over the pitch, he's struck up a good partnership between Lacazette and Aubameyang, and he's got us to a European cup final - our first in 13 years.

    The season is not over yet, and winning the EL would make it an exceptional first season in charge, but he's done well all things considered.

    7/10 for me (as it stands).
     
    #44
    gooner4ever and PINKIE like this.
  5. PINKIE

    PINKIE Wurzel Gummidge

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    115,787
    Likes Received:
    64,347
    Considering it was a transition season, with a new manager, new coaches, new tactics, I think Emery has done remarkably well.

    And more importantly, like you say, we can all see the begins of improvements at Arsenal. Hopefully we do win the EL and get Cl football because that will give Emery an extra boost in the summer transfer window.
     
    #45
    BrunelGooner likes this.
  6. white_gunner

    white_gunner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,212
    Likes Received:
    704
    Things I will note about emery/this first season:

    The changes I have seen include an energized manager on the sidelines (which does help both team and fans) and the ability to make substitutions that change games.

    In terms of our playing style, I have to say I have not really seen much change - and defensively we are as bad as ever, but I am optimistic emery can change this by bringing in his own players.

    The last note I have is that we finished with 70 points, which in years past would have been enough to get top 4. I’m not sure it’s necessarily a case of us going backward as much as it is the other teams going forward, so in that regard he’s done well.

    The issue is now if he doesn’t deliver top 4 next season, he will be in trouble IMO.
     
    #46
  7. TheBear

    TheBear Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2011
    Messages:
    11,465
    Likes Received:
    1,934
    I thought Gillem Balgues recent comments on Emery were interesting...

    “What Unai is trying to do is add layers to the side,” he said on his YouTube channel.

    “It will make much more sense as time goes on, because he will have the players that he wants, but he will get more training sessions for the team to do what he wants them to do.

    “What does he want them to do? To be flexible, not to look always the same, to adapt a little bit to the team and to the circumstances of the rival and to the circumstances of his own team.

    “That’s why he doesn’t look like he has a personality. I think he does, but the personality is flexibility, if you like.”
     
    #47
  8. omogooner

    omogooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,821
    Likes Received:
    171
    My views on Unai is no secret... Any decent club with aspirations would have fired him after the end of season debacle that ultimately culminated in the latest debacle. Do we have to wait for 1 more season of this pain before getting rid? Allegri is not going to be around for ever, I still maintain, top 4 was there for the taking this, any half decent manager would have secured top 4 with that team... His contract should have stipulated minimum top 4. Arsenal fans are the most forgiving and scared to make changes, a bit like a husband/wife stuck in a marriage destined to fail, but they will mostly stay because of being scarred of what is out there. I don't need to wait for next season, to know this bloke is not going to deliver! It will be the same or possibly even worse! With the team we have, I think a second grade manager would have achieved precisely that, apart from making Chelsea tear us apart in a final like they were Mancity beating Wolves!
    We all know, there will be no sudden injection of funds to buy players, so we more or less require a tactician, a magician to pull something out of the hat, someone who would set the team in the correct way that would not make us soft and easy touch.... Sadly this guy is not Emery!
     
    #48
  9. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2011
    Messages:
    26,987
    Likes Received:
    14,500
    I think you are a tad delusional, aside from Auba, Laca and Torreira, your starting XI is either mediocre (Xhaka, Iwobi, Mustafi), Past it (Cech, Koscielny) or young (Maitland Niles and those other two young'uns you been playing).
    Chelsea's squad isnt a great deal better, but it is better nonetheless, as is Spur's squad, and obviously City's and Liverpool's.
    I think Arsenal finished exactly where they should have finished, they have probably the 5th best squad in the league (you could even argue Man Utd's is better), and they finished 5th.
    So no....I dont think any half decent manager would have finished top 4 with your team. An excellent manager may have finished in the top 4 with your squad if he was able to pull off something special.

    I dont think Emery is to blame for you finishing 5th, i think the quality of your squad is to blame for you finishing 5th.
     
    #49
  10. omogooner

    omogooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,821
    Likes Received:
    171
    Of course you would say that won't you? I bet you were one of the army non-arsenal fans who were chanting for Arsene to carry on.. Meanwhile, Sarri has hardly put a foot wrong, exceeded expectations, yet his job is on the line. Why? Because, the fans are used to winning and demand more. We can argue till the cows home who is better, Arsenal, Chelsea or Spuds... One thing I will say is Pochettino is much better than Emeri, and would do better with our current squad. Why would you want us to do well anyways?
    I seem to recall a of non-Labour voters registering to vote for Jeremy Corbyn during the leadership contest... You have to ask yourself why. However, I suspect that is what you are doing here. I also wish Manure should stick with OGS!
     
    #50

  11. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2011
    Messages:
    26,987
    Likes Received:
    14,500
    Well yeah, but it was all banter.

    No, its because our owner is a trigger happy idiot who sacks people at the drop of a fricken hat.
    I would give Sarri one more season, and I would give Emery one more season. Klopp finished 6th in his first season as Liverpool manager, and look where they are now, about to pick up their 6th European Cup (I ****ing hope so anyway, if Spurs win it.....:emoticon-0119-puke:)

    If I was bantzing with you then yes, and if I was I would say so......I am not.
     
    #51
  12. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    4,405
    Likes Received:
    2,752
    I am tired of repeating this so many times...

    Emery was not given the right environment/resources/set-up to succeed. After 22 years, Gazidis decided he wanted to adopt a new continental structure which is a completely new way of how we operate. Did you really think this season there were going to be no bumps or issues along the way? You're deluding yourself if you think that's the case.

    He was handed a squad that was low on confidence, overpaid, ageing and unbalanced, yet he had to get in the top 4 competing against the two richest clubs in the league in United and City, a Liverpool team who were in their 4th year with Klopp (and had spent a lot due to Coutinho/Suarez sales), a Chelsea team who already have proven league and cup winners as it was, and a Spurs team who were miles ahead of us in their development due to Pochettino being afforded the time necessary to implement what he needed.

    It was always going to be an uphill task to expect CL football in Emery's 1st season with a squad that is old and that is predominantly full of Wenger's players.

    Emery has had no fullbacks/wingers all season. He wanted Ramsey to be central figure in our team, but we couldn't match his wage demands, so were kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.
    He clearly doesn't want Ozil to be here, but was eventually compelled to play him because we had so few options.

    The Summer of 2018 was about getting a few players in to change the mentality of our current squad. This Summer will be about getting players to fit Emery's ideals.

    Next season, providing Emery is backed satisfactorily, is where he has to deliver.

    If we still see the same weak-minded, bottle jobs and strange tactics, then he won't stay anyway as his contract is only until 2020.

    Even if things don't go to plan with Emery, at least it won't take 7-8 years too long to get rid of him like we did with Wenger.
     
    #52
    Quilllogic and winifred122 like this.
  13. omogooner

    omogooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,821
    Likes Received:
    171
    If you say so!



    I would take the said friken idiot as our owner! The end as they say justifies the means... Since we last won the league what has Chelsea won? Europa League x2, Champions League, Premier League, and you come on here to humour us as... We need to be more ruthless if we are to get back to winning ways.. Otherwise why field a joke team against palace, put Cech in goal if your job depended on it?


    I bet you are mocking us!
     
    #53
  14. omogooner

    omogooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,821
    Likes Received:
    171
    We really have become a laughing stock, a lot of our fans have deserted the club in droves, this forum is like a ghost town for the past few seasons..
     
    #54
  15. white_gunner

    white_gunner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,212
    Likes Received:
    704
    Still think we have the 5th best squad in the league (possibly 6th).

    In that sense I don’t think we can act like it’s a given we will get top 4 whomever is manager - emery or anyone else.
     
    #55
    BrunelGooner likes this.
  16. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    4,405
    Likes Received:
    2,752


    Emery quite clearly knows this squad isn't good enough. But when so many players are on such high money, it becomes difficult to move them on because their wage demands are more likely to put prospective buyers off.

    This then obviously affects our ability to bring players in.
     
    #56
  17. omogooner

    omogooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 4, 2011
    Messages:
    1,821
    Likes Received:
    171
    Only a poor workman complains about his tools! If you cannot deliver, then you walk. I bet you a coach like Allegri will perform much better with that team!
     
    #57
  18. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    4,405
    Likes Received:
    2,752
    That phrase isn't true. It's a trite remark. It's also not a comeback to anything I said.

    What makes you think Allegri would come to us when we have a tiny transfer budget and a squad full of overpaid mediocrity? Allegri is the type of manager to transform a ready-made squad into winners. He isn't the type of manager to build a squad or develop a project, which is precisely the manager we need.
     
    #58
  19. white_gunner

    white_gunner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2011
    Messages:
    1,212
    Likes Received:
    704
    I think part of being a fan is also adjusting expectations. Like it or not things happen in ebbs and flows. I don’t think we are a top club capable of challenging for the premier league any longer. Maybe one day we will be again, but not now. To be honest, I don’t think anything will change until we get a new owner. I think when Josh Kroenke inevitably inherits the club one day - that’s when he might sell up and well get a new owner.
     
    #59
    BrunelGooner likes this.
  20. BrunelGooner

    BrunelGooner Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2015
    Messages:
    4,405
    Likes Received:
    2,752
    2034/2035 Premier League Champions - Arsenal Football Club <ok> Can't wait for that fateful day.
     
    #60

Share This Page