Off Topic Politics Thread

I am not disagreeing with you. It should be investigated. I am merely pointing out that the EC was the darling of remainers throughout the last 3 years yet today they are suddenly a corrupt government controlled organisation.

 

That's a sad statement on the state of the nation. Dismayed.

 

I am not "on" twitter......but I do watch a political link that selects varied tweets from many sources. From the left to the right, from leave to remain. A lot of boring "well done to us" or "shame on them" to and fro between MPs and politcal parties but in between there are good ones of analysis or actual discussion rather than "you're rubbish, no you're rubbisher" which is a vast amount of it.

 

I haven't seen that reaction is it on twatter?

 

Why? For winning a referendum?

 

Disraeli for me

"I have climbed to the top of this greasy pole"

Still remember that from A level History.

 

As soon as the EC changed it's mind and started to "investigate thoroughly" the leave campaign whilst ignoring the same practices by the remain campaign (which is quite probably the remain campaign were just better at keeping things within grey areas) then the twittersphere saw remainers defending the EC from leavers who talked about it being a remain establishment stitch up blah blah. So remainers were defending them banging on about independence. Today the #FPBE lot are sounding a lot like the leavers they dismissed back then talking about collaborations and government control. It's a copule of hours passed now and I watch these things on a live feed sort of thing so can't remember who said what etc but one that came up a mo ago was this one below.

So now we are led to believe that the beloved Electoral commission "chose" not to prevent what has happened today. No mention of local authorities. Just those at the top. Theresa May and the Electoral Commission. This one is quite tame in comparison to some I have seen today, and I don't mean some remainer in suburbia on his laptop. I mean some quite high up well known people:

 

Not from the area where I came from or grew up in........absolutely bonkers she is not even on the list......bonkers.

 

Getting back to the topic of best/worst PM. What about Heath? He took us into the CM which was a definite plus, supported failing state industries but due to their management structure and work practices it did not resolve anything. His failings - his confrontation with the miners, the power cuts, the three-day week and the escalating troubles in Northern Ireland.

What of Callaghan!! His time was blighted by high inflation, the increasing lack of competitiveness of British produced products, industrial problems (not his fault as these were endemic) and continued troubles in Northern Ireland.

Thatcher - positives? Uum!! Possibly the growth in the numbers of people who became self-employed. It is debatable that the opportunity to buy your home off the council was a good thing. It did help to uplift many an área. Privatisation- again very debatable. Many were failing state industries for wahtever reason, so the Government wasn´t willing to fund these any more, so could then implement tax cuts which benefitted some sectors of society.

As for the Falklands, that was a foregone conclusión once she decided to go to "war." The cost being the loss of young lives. I also think her reactions in the wake of Luton, Heysel and Hillsborough disasters brought about a revolution in football as old stadiums were modernised, new ones built and safety improved.

Major!! I suppose he will be remembered for "Black Thursday" or whatever day it was.

As for Tony Blair the positives were the Good Friday agreement and a plethora of social reforms.

 

Not surprising that she came in ahead of Winston Churchill, is it? Remember it is "Greatest post-war PM." Churchill was done and dusted when he was elected in 1951. And of course most were not around to remember Attlee, Eden, MacMillan, Hume, or even the wonderful Harold Wilson.

The two most talked about will be Thatcher and Blair. Both had their plus points. In fact if we look at things objectively, their good points outweigh the failings, particularly in Blair´s case.

 

Ah the Russians influencing us again....

 

Blair actually comes in third but way behind Thatcher and churchill:

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Just shows how militaristic we're getting right now. Top 3 being pretty famous for their respective wars...

I really don't like where this nationalistic populism is taking us.

 

This one is quite telling. Seems to be a list of Ide's suggestions opf what was bad are actually the things most consider good. p.s. can't wait to buy my council house now I'm working full time again

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The Iron Lady stamped on a lot of people, including the coal miners. But she was a strong lady, who stood by her convictions, something that we are a million miles away from now. I think she was a good leader. Not much to say about Blair, he came with a fan fair at a strong time for our country, and got us into a war because of a friendship. Legacy.

 

Right to buy is still decimating our housing stock. Social housing providers like us hate that one.

 

Uum!! I posed a question about what is considered to be Margaret Thatcher´s achievements. The only thing I would disagree with is why she is remembered for the Falklands so much. It was a six-weeks war, yet the impact on the British psyche seems to have left a legacy far longer lasting than her privatisation programmes, when it should be the other way round. And what about her measures to enable people to buy their own homes, to become self-employed, to get modern investment into the car industry, Surely, these outweigh her Falklands achievements?

I also think the concept of a National Curriculum was a plus. It beggars belief why anyone would want to remember her Falklands success.

I could now go on to the negatives of her time as a PM

 

Why will Blair forever be associated with the Iraq War when there are many pluses to his time in Number 10? First and foremost will be the Good Friday Agreement. Then there was the plethora of social reforms with the mínimum wage, better terms and conditions for parents with new born children, building more schools and providing more places for the Under 5s. Then we became more aware of social inclusión, of accepting the rights of those who are different.

So why is a PM´s time in office often associated with a war?

 

....or a song

Things...............will only get.......................

 

To be fair that war was a large contributor to the creation if Islamic state which is also a big contributor to the migration crisis and therefore us leaving Europe.

Other than the war I thought he was decent but the ****tiness of the Iraq War really does overshadow his time as PM