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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by Beef, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. tomw24

    tomw24 Well-Known Member
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    No, but he did inherit that side rather than earn it by managing elsewhere first.
     
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  2. Saints_Alive

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    So did Bob Paisley....
     
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  3. tomw24

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    So? I'm not denying Pep is an excellent manager. He is and to win as many trophies as he has is outstanding. But Klopp or any other good manager would have won the trophies he did at Barca. There's not much between Pep and Klopp at all IMO. This season seems to suggest that.
     
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  4. Saints_Alive

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    Ultimately Managers are judged by what they have won at the end of their careers, i'm not disputing that Klopp is very good but the only real proof at the end will be how much he won.
     
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  5. AberdeenSaint

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    Yes they do. They have had a Grand Prix for a few years now, and it`s a busy place with the oil industry. I`ve been there many times, and they have good hotels, big airport, good major roads etc. It isn`t a place for hoards of drunk fans however, as the local authorities can be harsh - the former president Aliyev was a head honcho in the KGB ! I remember leaving my hotel via the revolving door, just as a short fair haired bloke was coming in - I couldn`t place him for a minute, then I realised it was Bert Vogts, who managed the Azeri national team. I hoped he was making a better go of it than when he managed Scotland.
     
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  6. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

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    I thought I read that the airport could only take 15k foreign visitors? Not fit for a European final imo.
     
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  7. Saintmagic

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    You mean the side he inherited that was the bestest ever that finished almost 20 points behind Madrid the season before he took over? And then won it in his first season by 9 points? That side?
     
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  8. ChilcoSaint

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    He did help to build that Barça team don’t forget. When he was promoted from managing the B team the first thing he did was get rid of some legends like Ronaldinho, Deco, Edmilson and Thuram and start bringing in players like Piqué, Dani Alves, and Keita. He also promoted players like Busquets and Pedro from his own B team. So that team, and the “six second rule” for regaining possession was pretty much all Pep. As for Redknapp being capable of doing the same thing, you’re surely joking! Pep learnt his trade by playing under some of the greatest managers, like Johann Cruyff and Bobby Robson, who encouraged the style of midfield play that Pep has made his own as a manager.
     
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  9. AberdeenSaint

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    …...over what period of time ?. They also managed to cope with tens of thousands of drink-crazed Eurovision Song Contest thugs when Englebert Humperdink was our entry.
     
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  10. Saintmagic

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    Nah he had no say in developing that side despite coaching most of them at B team level for a few seasons previously. He just got lucky and inherited them
     
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  11. Libby

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    Must admit I think Bayern is a better example.
     
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  12. ChilcoSaint

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    To be fair, he only managed the B team for a season, but got them promoted from Tercéra to Segunda.
     
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  13. Saintmagic

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    I thought he was a coach there for a while prior to getting the manager job? Maybe wrong on that though
     
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  14. Saintmagic

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    Of inheriting a team?
     
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  15. ChilcoSaint

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    No he played in Mexico for 6 months before retiring in 2006-07, then took over as manager of Barcelona B in 2007-08, and was then promoted to the first team for the 2008-09 season, replacing Frank Rijkaard, who as you say hadn’t had a great couple of seasons.
     
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    That doesn’t mean they automatically win. He still has to earn the players’ respect and keep them at the top. He did. You can’t chamge that.
     
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  17. fatletiss

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    You can’t say that Tom. You don’t know.
     
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  18. Libby

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    Of a job that almost any manager in the world could have done and one which wrongly (imo) enhanced his reputation.

    No better than the job Brenda did in Scotland imo.
     
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    Pompey: 4th was an overachievement, and if they went up they would have been bottom 3 candidates. This isn't 2012, when dinosaurs roamed the earth (some managing Championship teams) and you could stroll to the Prem with a couple of £1.5m transfers.

    Pep v Klopp: Both are great, have developed since Bayern/Barcelona/Dortmund, but managers aren't the only thing that makes teams good. So it's a bit of a waste of time comparing, you're just all deciding who you like more.
     
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