Kneejerk PC stupidity from the FA.

Exactly. It gets my goat. None of the things they claim offend people, actually offend anybody. But they say they do because then they can be the victim and play on that to further their agenda.

There are two amazing quotes from South Park (the champions of offensive material, viewed by the "easily offended" generation on a regular basis) that resonate with me.

"People with a messed-up ego can do these mental gymnastics to convince themselves they're awesome, when really they're just douchebags."

"If you always make yourself the victim, you end up allowing yourself to do awful things".

They're both true statements. There are a lot of people fighting to stop this kind of behaviour from becoming rife, it would seem that the same people who champion the veterans of WW2 don't see the irony of their actions towards fellow human beings. They should be ashamed of themselves, never mind the rest of us being appalled by them.

 

I know it’s going to get into a bore this thread, however I generalised my opinion that in the 63 years I’ve lived on this earth, that quite a few things have taken a turn for the worse, and the internet and now Brexit has made people into a whiney set of opinionated ****s, like you, who think they are always right, never accept that anyone else should think differently to them.

Everyone has turned into Piers Morgan, who as entertaining as he sometimes is, never really listens to anyone else’s opinions and just shouts over them.

I was brought up on the term Man Up, and I have always tried to do that, but apparently I can’t say that now because someone will get offended,

Blokes dressing up as women and calling themselves Melissa got the piss took out of them when I was younger, now we let the ****ers use women’s bogs and compete in women’s sports, and the ****ing Hull Daily Mail runs a story about the **** every week as though it’s normality.

This countries ****ed and ****ing try hards like you are ****ing it even more by letting the tiny minority tell the majority what they can and can’t do.

I hate racism and homophobes, but I hate the offended even more, because they are the ruination of normal society, oh and I voted remain so pick the bones out of that lot.

 

Read the mental health thread and the many suicide prevention charities websites too find out why you don't use the term Man Up.

You absolutely ignorant dick.

I don't care about any of your other posts in this thread (even though I disagree with you), that's your opinion.

But being so ignorant of why we are trying to stop people saying man up is just wrong and highlights how ignorant you are of other people and what they may have gone through.

 

What you voted is of no consequence either. As if that adds any weight to the **** you just wrote.

You were brought up in a time when racism, bigotry and hatred weren't just rife, it was ingrained into society. It's taken my whole life for my generation and those a little older to work it out of society, because those older were too blind to it to do anything about it. Or worse, they actually ****ing enjoy it. You're the same age as my father, there or there abouts and he is pretty right wing in his views. He's mellowed as he's seen how society has adapted and has made changes to how he thinks. Not because he's been forced to, but because he chose to.

Let's get one thing clear, shall we? Things like homophobia, xenophobia, gas lighting and mental illness shaming aren't okay. They've never been okay and they never will be okay, so sayeth ****ing everybody. You grew up in a time when men weren't man enough to confront the issues. They still existed, but instead of standing up for those people that were getting abuse, people stood to one side, or worse, joined in. So now, we have a time when people do take a stand and say "no more". We're doing what you lot should have done 30 years ago, but were peer pressured by society not to. We aren't so easily swayed. And if you think for one second that it's because people are offended, then you're missing the point. It has nothing to do with offence and everything to do with progression of tolerance.

You strike me as exactly the type of person who would say 'man up' to somebody with depression, not knowing the damage it causes. We understand such things much better and it's testament to how society has progressed that we now have people coming forward and discussing, actioning and embracing those issues head on. Suicide among men is at all time high, for a high variety of reasons, but mainly because we live in a society where expectation has become unreachable for the majority. Some people can accept their lot, many people can't. It isn't up to you to decide that those people should be written off. You're speaking to somebody who's heard the words "man up" when suicidal, it's not a ****ing joke. It's not helpful, it's just something people say to make themselves feel better so that they can tell themselves they're a good person and that somehow in their warped mind, they've done their bit. It's not offensive, it's just a ****ing stupid thing to say to people.

It isn't the same as it were when you were a lad, thank ****. There are now many different issues to deal with compared to 50 years ago, so when you say "the offended", who exactly are you referring to? Gay people that get called ***gots? Suicidal men who are told to man up? Trans people that get called freaks? Who? If you don't understand why those things cause issues, then how can you blame the people when the problem isn't them?

 

Is there a full moon tonight?

Asking for a friend

 

It's the lies I can't stand...

 

It's OK - I'm not offended.

 

Right that's it, I'm off for a Gregg's vegan sausage roll and to stare at my Communist Russia poster for a few hours. Then I'm going to listen to James O'Brien on LBC and agree with everything he says.

 

you're clearly had your head in the sand or the guardian a lot lately. for a start, the freedom of speech protests are not just coming from the right, but also from moderate leftists who still favour freedom of speech and are opposed to the extreme left closing down lectures being given by non far right speakers.

there are multiple cases recently of speakers who are not far right having lectures,meetings, whatever, disrupted under the guise of what you're claiming because they've been misrepresented in the far left press. there's the constant threat of violence from the mendaciously-named antifa, including the recent case of their dressed-in-black, mask wearing, 100% white middle-class thugs accusing a black conservative american woman of being racist.

your view of the world is ignoring an awful lot.

 

Sounds like you need a weekend away in Norwich or somewhere

 

Right, there have been. And that's exactly what suppressing freedom of speech looks like. And it's wrong.

What it doesn't look like, is people being booted off Facebook, Youtube and Twitter for violating terms and conditions. Nor does it look like people spreading hateful comments about religions, LGBTQ+ issues or cultures and then acting shocked when people criticise them. This is what outrages the people I'm referring to. While what you've said is absolutely true, it's not what these folks are harping on about. I'm talking about Yvonne and Dave taking to the streets because they don't like the look of certain people because of how the dress or because they don't speak English and then whinging about being called bigots and being denied freedom of speech.

 

Do they have smashed avocado, beards and feminism rallies?

 

They've got the lot mate

 

Hmm. I'm already going to Goathland, it's a bit much to go to two places in a year.

 

okay, fair do. there have been some very dodgy bannings from youtube and twitter, which i hope you'll concede, including some where t&cs haven't been broken. my personal view is that idiots should be allowed to speak and then we know who they are. i'm wary of those with ridiculous views being banned from the usual internet sites because it doesn't stop them having their views (though it might stop others acquiring those views), and it may make the job for those monitoring them more difficult.

there's a very strange thing been happening in the left leaning press in the usa recently where there have been articles against mixed-race relationships and, more bizarrely, some supporting segregation. one might have suspected these as being "false flag" in nature, or planted to wind people up, but they seem to have picked up support among their readers. baffling.

 

Thing is with freedom of speech, there’s actually a caveat underneath it for this exact scenario.

You have to have some sort of filter otherwise common sense goes out the window. Should *****philes be free to talk openly about molesting children? Of course not, but by the same token being applied by some of these commentators, they’re entitled to air their opinions in public. You can’t have freedom of speech for some and not others, it either applies to nobody or everybody.

At some point you have to say “fair enough”, otherwise it’s just madness. There are things being said at the moment that are objectively evil and designed to cause harm. Saying “you can just ignore it” isn’t good enough, why would you not just take steps to prevent it, the only people who complain about that are the people that agree with it anyway.

The people who don’t get to hear these commentators spread their bile aren’t victims. The people that the foul comments are aimed at, are.

 

I appreciate it's a general discussion, and I've only skimmed a selection of posts, but if it hasn't yet crossed it, it's getting very, very near the line for this board.

No politics or religion ta.

 

i think we agree more than we disagree.

 

The world begins on the outskirts of Hull. Distance squared comes to mind.

Edit: Having read the last 4 pages, it's more like (distance from Hull) to the power 10.
A new branch of physics in the offing, even a law. The further from Hull you get, the more tolerance exists.

 

I knew someone’s head would explode at the term man up, I never linked the term with mental illness at all so I don’t know why your getting so excited, the term Man Up in my vocabulary is to be brave and tough enough to stand up for any setbacks.

Of course it would be crass to say that to someone who is suffering from mental problems so would, pull your self together, It will be ok, don’t worry and any other condescending saying, Man Up was always said in a team situation where someone was lagging behind or not pulling their weight.

Every time there’s a setback in life be it a break up, or a death or losing your job, we all, men and women Man Up and pull our selves through the bad times.

Some people have used the term wrongly and I totally agree that someone suffering problems mentally can’t Man Up, someone close to me is going through It, but again my point was that even though Man Up has many meanings and because the term has been attributed to Mental illness, no one can say it anymore because people like you get so offended, that they wrongly accuse people of simplifying mental illness, which of course I didn’t do.

Probably best if you just read the words written and stop making things up about me.