Off Topic UK politics and brexit ramblings

She's as big a bare-faced liar as Blair. These people have no shame. It's almost as if she thinks the rest of the country aren't watching.

 

Seriously? They're playing party politics between Customs Union and Common Market 2.0

Here's a thought - why don't they all vote for both, and then decide which one later? At least that way they don't shoot themselves in the foot by getting neither

 

In fairness Clarke wants his cake and to eat it too. He wants the eea but not the freedom of movement.

The Labour one seems the whole way.

 

This is true cynical politics we're seeing. Politics at its worst is where nothing gets done for the sake of personal aims. i.e. be willing to settle for the status quo even if that means cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

My old college lecturer was from Yorkshire. A coal mining man. He taught us communications aka unions. Protect the status quo was his best bit of advice. Never go into a room and come out with less than you went in.

It was interesting if nothing else to catch a glimpse.

 

Listening to no.6 atm too

 

Aye it's from the book of Sir Humphrey Appleby in Yes Minister.

 

Nailed it

 

If you even just look at the total votes never mind the breakdown you can see the problem hrre

 

By the by the independent group and 12 Labour voted no to Clarke's customs union

10 Labour and 11 of the independent group voted down Labour's 2.0 thing.


So.... there was a swing of only 2 or 3 needed on those.

There's highly irresponsible actions going on but these self same people then will vote no to no deal

 

27 Labour voted again against the confirmatory vote aka a referendum.

And again 24 Labour voters voted down the parliament will panic and revoke arrive 50 vote.


So you've clearly 10+ labour who think that under no circumstances should the house stop brexit nor should there be another vote but thought well... I'll back these customer unions.

And you've 10++ hard line labour Brexiteers who voted not to everything.


The tig, the few lib dems there are and those labour.... as well as all of the snp failed to see that the eea is as close to eu as thry could have got but then didn't vote of voted it down.

Childish.

Also... labour voted down the Tory whips common market along with tig and libs.

Again childish.



So it's high high time there's an election, but to do that the eu need to grant a longer extension than may 22 so we have til,april 12 now to accept mep elections

 

The usual vacuous ****e from that tabloid gobshite.

It’s thanks to the likes of her that this issue has become so divisive, her binary bullshit is both nonsense and misleading. You can’t just leave, for 45 years we’ve become entwined with the EU through hundreds and hundreds of regulatory agreements, you can’t just walk away from that, it’s like taking the eggs out of a baked cake. It’ll take years to replace them all. Not to mention the effect of an idiotic ‘no deal’ on business and agriculture, and ultimately jobs.

 

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No-deal Brexit more likely by the day, says Michel Barnier
Michel Barnier has said a no-deal Brexit is becoming more likely by the day after the Commons rejected all the alternative solutions to Theresa May’s deal.
Speaking in Brussels, the EU’s chief negotiator said there had to be a “positive vote” by MPs in order to avoid a cliff-edge Brexit on 12 April.
“No deal was never our desired or intended scenario,” Barnier told an audience at a thinktank event. “But the EU27 is now prepared. It becomes, day after day, more likely.”
Three scenarios were set out by the EU official: agreement this week on the prime minister’s deal or a variant of it, no deal, or a long extension to article 50 requiring “a strong justification”.
Such is the frustration in EU capitals at the failure of Westminster to coalesce around a vision of its post-Brexit future that it increasingly appears that a lengthy delay beyond 22 May can only be guaranteed in the event of a general election or a second referendum.
Barnier said an extension beyond the end of May, requiring the UK to take part in European parliamentary elections, “would carry significant risks for the EU and therefore strong justification would be needed”.

 

Brexit news live: MPs table motion aimed at averting no deal
Theresa May is seeking to break the Brexit deadlock as she gathers Cabinet ministers for crisis talks in Downing Street.

The Prime Minister and her ministers will try to thrash out a way forward after MPs again failed to find a majority for a series of alternatives to her divorce deal.

Mrs May initially scheduled a mammoth five-hour meeting with senior ministers, but it was reduced to three hours at the last minute.

A call for a customs union with the EU was rejected in the Commons by just three votes, while a demand for a second referendum was defeated by 12 and a Norway-style deal by 21.

It came as Michel Barnier said no deal Brexit was more likely, hours before Labour's Yvette Cooper tabled a bill aimed at averting no deal.

 

So may proves again she doesn't listen.

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Theresa May will ask the EU for an extension to the Brexit deadline to "break the logjam" in Parliament.

The PM says she wants to meet Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn to agree a plan on the future relationship with the EU.

But she insisted her withdrawal agreement - which was voted down last week - would remain part of the deal.

Mrs May said she wanted the extension to be "as short as possible" - before 22 May so the UK does not have to take part in European elections.

The UK has until 12 April to propose a plan - which must be accepted by the EU - or it will leave without a deal.

The UK was supposed to leave the EU on 29 March, but Mrs May agreed a short extension after realising Parliament would not agree a deal by the deadline.
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First thing wrong with the above is eu was very clear, we have til April 12 as this is last day to start preparations for eu elections. She is saying no elections but wants extension.

May 22nd date is purely available to technically agree deal as proposed by 12th April.

The second thing wrong is talking to corbyn as that man has no interest in talking. I'm so cynical on corbyn i believe he's been sending mps in to scupper all proposals and he's saying customs union only to ensure Tories will never talk.



Basically the cabinet have probably agreed this bill tomorrow will pass so they are trying to avoid it coming to the house and bibfing their hands.

This is an utterly pointless excerise

 

years of evidence of May avoiding anyone but her opinion being reflected in #brexit policy and somehow you still want to blame Corbyn

 

Brexit: Theresa May to ask EU for further extension




https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47794235

 

He is just as culpable.

he's had the power to have a really soft brexit all along and has driven us to this.

 

Just as?

#deluded