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Next seasons squad and out of contract players

Discussion in 'Ipswich Town' started by stretchyboy, Feb 15, 2019.

  1. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

    YorkieLancsHampyLondoner Well-Known Member

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    The longer the season's gone on the less and less blame I would attribute to Hurst. This kind of statement just shows the transition we needed to make from being too laid back and complacent as a club. Okay Jackson hasn't worked out but Nolan and Edwards certainly have and likewise Chalobah and Pennington. We have got a return on our outlay there overall. It's taken longer than Hurst's entire reign for Lambert to start getting performances out of the side - and the results still haven't come. It wasn't pretty but whichever way you look at it, Hurst was short-changed.

    I don't like what Skuse has said about 'what ifs' last summer - because what he's done there is slagged off half his team mates and he has not covered himself in glory this season and likewise other vocal critics Bart and Dozzell. Our better performers - none of them deserve to be labelled outstanding - have all done their talking on the pitch instead.

    What matters now is that Evans is not complacent in the next window. It's encouraging that we have started to do some business already and retained the services of Chambo and Kenlock, we need numbers in every position to build on in the next window so we don't find ourselves in the same situation as last summer and perhaps with an even tighter budget. As long as we don't lose anyone in or on the fringes of the first team and we sign up a couple of strikers, a centre back and ideally Judge then I think we'll have a season to look forward to next year. I just fear that Evans may not have quite got the shock he should have and an exodus of our top talent to 'balance the books'.
     
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    Bigalreigned Well-Known Member

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    No Yorkie,Hurst was a “total melt” and should never be let anywhere near a football team evereverever again:emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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  3. Roystonblue

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    I don’t believe mcgoldrick would ever have stayed with us due to his earnings. Let’s be honest, with his injury record over recent seasons, supporters and the club would not have been happy unless it was some sort of pay as you play deal. Don’t blame the player for leaving as he needs to do what’s best for himself and his family for the long term. Just because he has managed to play the season (so far), doesn’t mean the club was wrong to let him go. However, it is interesting that he hasn’t got injured and yet many of our players have long term injuries. It has been suggested before but is there something wrong with the training at our club?
     
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  4. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    100% Royston. Not just with sports science, fitness and training but lack of motivation that leads to the psychological side of players not training properly, injuries manifesting and being less inclined to fight to overcome injuries to get back in the side. The reason Ryan Giggs played for so long was that he was absolutely determined to do everything he could to optimise his body, not wholly down to the facilities at Man United although that helps.
     
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  5. Westlake33

    Westlake33 Well-Known Member

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    Christ alive, trust you to come up with that opinion- when it’s obvious to all and sundry what a disaster Hurst was. Not a single player has a positive word to say about him after leaving which speaks volumes.

    I said at the time and stick by this, his post Exeter press conference was waaaayyyyy over the top and not something you do early.

    Mind you, you still maintain Keane should have been given more time, so not sure why I’m surprised at you saying this.
     
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    As far as the opposition goes Hurst had the easy part of the season before teams got organised and were really on it, everyone was there for the beating we matched The Budgies and a deflected goal meant we got 1 point instead of 3 but look at them now, a well drilled high performance outfit who deserve to be at the top, we were never going to be any different under Hurst and the players he brought in.
    Loan players aside every Hurst signing he's been a failure with Nolan the only one who has improved albeit belatedly, and Edwards contributing in a sporadic fashion, as Westy says Hurst was disastrous for us.
     
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    stretchyboy Well-Known Member

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    I also, think that if given more time, we would've had a better chance of promotion under Keane than Mick (although, subversively also a better chance of going down with Keane than Mick)
     
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  8. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    It's easy to paint these people as pantomime villains but ambitious, driven and somewhat arrogant people like Keane and Hurst don't have time for whiners and excuse makers, it's always the ones who don't have the same drive and don't pull their weight who fall out with these types of manager and then slag them off later.
     
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  9. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    So what you're saying field is it takes teams a while at the start of the season to be organised and really on it. Would that perhaps be even more so the case with a new manager coming in and a lot of new faces? I would probably agree with that.
     
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  10. stretchyboy

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    I also prefer to see people, in all walks of life, to try and fail, then to just sit on the fence and get splinters up their arse.
    Nothing worse than just doing the same boring crap week after moth after year. If mick was still in charge of us for the next 20 years, we'd have finished between 10th and 14th every year.
     
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    It doesn’t require any painting, they were both idiots here. Heck, even Keane admits this!!!!! Not really sure how anyone can stick up for Keane with us, when to be fair to him, he even admitted himself he did a bad job here!

    Doesn’t really take a lot of thought to realise they are both poison for the club.

    No doubt in the future when we get another total d***head as a manager, you’ll love them too.
     
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    Bobby Robson, Graham Taylor, Roy Hodgson, Harry Redknapp, Jose Mourinho and Claudio Ranieri to name a few have all achieved great success and had times in their career when things didn't work out but it doesn't make them bad managers. I prefer to have someone ambitious who learns from their mistakes than someone happy to pick up their pay cheque and never rock the boat or try to do something worthwhile in the game. Roy Keane is always going to have that streak in him where he's going to piss off a lazy player or a sensitive soul, but those characters would never make it at the top level anyway. Evans buckles too easily when things take a downward turn - the Paul Jewell situation is the only one that had gone too far to turn around, and we all know Evans consistently displays a serious lack of judgement. Once you've appointed someone like Keane or Hurst back them - if you don't want those type of characters at the club then don't employ them in the first place.

    Now we have McCarthy digging at Town like a petulant teenager.

    I just think if you're going to tread water, what's the point?
     
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    To a certain extent yes, that's why you don't make wholesale changes at a level you've never experienced before, bring in lower league players who likewise have never worked at this level before, destroy the nucleus of a team and replace with players who prove to be useless at Championship level, and blame the players for poor results when its obvious to a fool who has brought this lamentable situation about.
     
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  14. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    None of the players who were here before the summer have come out of this season with any credit, apart perhaps for Bishop who was not fit and available in the early part of the season so do me a favour. There was no nucleus of a competitive team when Hurst took over. It had deteriorated over the last couple of seasons of the McCarthy era.
     
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    I 'll do you a favour, you say Keane would have improved given more time when Keane himself has recently stated that he managed badly at Ipswich, I must say you've got some brass neck to argue with the person concerned quote, as for Hurst he brought in these useless players and nobody else because he didn't know any better, an out of his depth manager bringing in out of their depth players which is a recipe for disaster.
    I realise you will argue with everything that's said even Keanes own words so do everyone else a favour because I'm not the only one whose sick of it.
     
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    Westlake33 Well-Known Member

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    You must have taken too many drugs recently field, Hampy would argue with anyone about anything till the end of time.

    Keep calm and listen to Hampy or whatever b****** that signature was.
     
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    Yeah sorry Westy you're right I should know better, I must remember keep calm and listen to Hampy.
     
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  18. YorkieLancsHampyLondoner

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    Keane has not said he wouldn’t have improved and matured has he field? These comments show that he has. That much is surely obvious to even the biggest halfwits.

    Roy Keane was never content with just getting Sunderland promoted by the way. He’s not one for blowing his own trumpet unless he’s winning trophies at the top level.
     
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  19. Westlake33

    Westlake33 Well-Known Member

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    Oh my god you’re broken it’s not even funny. No wonder Spanish called you a f****** twot the other day, he’s not wrong is he.

    It’s the merry go around here, it’s hardly a wonder with you on here people have left on mass. That article you brought up the other day from what five years ago you were belittling and p***ing everyone off.

    Five years later, still at it. Absolute b***end.
     
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    Keep calm and listen to the p****
     
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