Third Brexit vote must be different – Speaker John Bercow has ruled out another vote on the government's previously rejected Brexit agreement if the motion remains "substantially the same". He told the Commons that parliamentary conventions dating back to 1604 meant MPs could not be asked to vote on precisely the same subject twice. MPs rejected Theresa May's Brexit deal with the EU by 149 votes last week. Mr Bercow's ruling came as the government considers a third attempt to get the deal through Parliament. He said the second vote on the prime minister's deal was "in order" but any further votes must pass this "test" in order to be allowed. Mrs May had previously committed to holding a new vote on her withdrawal agreement in the coming days, but ministers have said this will not happen unless they are "confident" of victory. Mr Bercow made his ruling in response to what he said were concerns from MPs that they could be "repeatedly asked to pronounce on the same proposition ad infinitum". Votes on the "same or substantially the same motion" would not be allowed, he said.
if parliament can say ok you can vote again if somethings changed then why do Brexiteers say its be treason to vote again on brexit itself as a nation... given the picture has clearly changed from the pie in the sky deals Johnson and farage lied about and the actual forecasts about no deal brexit etc etc. we now know that no brexit makes UK better off.. at all. if that's not enough to have a new referendum I don't know what is. democracy in action.
Another vote would threaten social cohesion. Just think how many plant pots those 50 lads marching from Sunderland could kick over.
Surely it's technically possible to have a No Deal, Deal or Remain poll, with a run off for the top two unless one option gets over 50% in the first ballot?
You wouldn't want to be an Asian kebab stall owner outside your local 'Spoons at chucking out time when it's finally announced that we will definitely not be leaving on the 29th March. Mark Francois has probably got some ancestor who fought the French at Waterloo, and he's ready to rip up the agreement on College Green. Or maybe not, with that name.
There’ll be an extension granted and they’ll then remove the leaving date from the Withdrawal Act by an amendment to the Act, which will pass in the House, the same as voting down no deal did.
I find it highly amusing that the comments from Brexiters about social upheaval and angry voters taking to the streets if the leaving date was delayed, has been shown to have no real substance given how the gammon herders march has garnered so little interest. He deliberately chose Sunderland as the starting point not only for the misplaced historic political reference, but also as it was supposedly still a hotbed of angry gammon desperate to stamp their feet. Seeing a couple of hundred bedraggled Leavers marching on Saturday was cringeworthy. Their number was less than 70 by the time they arrived at Hartlepool. Farage was obviously long gone well before that. What an inspirational leader his truly is......
technically anythong is possible bit it breaks convention you could ask first do you accept no.deal leave yes/no count that first then same.ballot. if yes do you wish mays deal or no deal if no do you wish mays deal.or remain. or whatever... you can have all the votes taken at same time and collated but just count the relevant ones at each stage. bit it's vastly over complicated, not.sure many referendums work that way.
Brexit: Theresa May to press on with deal despite Bercow ruling The government says it is pressing ahead with Theresa May's Brexit deal despite Commons Speaker John Bercow throwing the process into doubt. Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay suggested a vote could take place next week - after Mrs May has sought a delay to Brexit from the EU. Mr Bercow has ruled that the PM can not bring her deal back for a third vote without "substantial changes". Mr Barclay said "serious consideration" was being given to his intervention. The Brexit secretary told BBC Radio 4's Today programme it was important to "respect the referee" and abide by his decisions. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47620235
That requires a) May gave a "free vote" then took it away after amendment and certain people "abstained" to let the no to no deal happen. either a free vote would be needed OR may ordering MPs to vote extension b) Agreement on the length of extension. Will people back a year or 2 years delay?? what will eu offer. If may comes back from summit with a 2 year delay say.... (not a month that seems pointless) Will people vote for legislation to remove leave date totally if they know its min 2 years to brexit again. i.e. DUP have shown they want the hardest of hard borders and a wall if they could so they won't vote for it. the brexiteers will never back it... so what will may do? the Tory party will implode if she tries to whip them to vote for the extension. These lot are scary.
She’s reportedly asked (or is asking) for either the 30th June or 2 years. Whichever they agree (or somewhere in between) the House will back it, as the alternative is no deal & there’s a large majority in the House against no deal, as has already been proven. If she whipped against an extension it’d kill her party. The only way she can get a deal through now before the leave date, is to get the support of the DUP & the ERG, for her current offering, and then table a motion for the House to disregard the Speakers ruling on MV3, before then bringing it back to pass. Will a 2 year delay be enough to frighten them into taking it? Personally I doubt it, as it’s a long way down from their current position. Which leaves us in an extension, what will change? I suspect nothing, as there’s no other deal possible that doesn’t compromise the GFA and includes her red lines. So the red lines would have to change, notably our membership of the CU, and with it FoM, won’t happen. So we’re left with what? It’s simple; 1. Mays deal 2. No deal 3. Remain So for me the only way out of this is to put it back to the electorate in a 2 part referendum; Question 1. Do you want to leave the EU under the terms of the Govts withdrawal agreement Y/N? If this gains a majority the 2nd question becomes moot. Question 2. Do you want to the Leave the EU without any deal being in place? Or Would you rather the U.K. remain in the EU?
shes asking for 30th june with an option to go longer... I think she'll have a job getting that by eu. the probelm i'm seeing is what does she actually ask house as one way or other the whip will have to be applied and while you expect labour etc to line up behind extension in any format.. .well.... how much of her party breaks. the only possible point to extension is new GE. even the referendum option is a tough one as who iwll agree what to ask. this governemnt sucks.
A general election would cause alot if noise but I'm not sure would solve the issue. Both parties are split in a myriad of directions as to what they thinks best. The only thing that may change is it would force labour into actually putting their cards on the table and stating what there solution would be.
