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Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Wandering Yid, Feb 9, 2016.

  1. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Cressida Dick continued to make her surname fair game by suggesting it's middle class intellectuals to blame, as their cocaine habits are responsible

    The average street dealer in the areas where the vast majority of stabbings take place do not sell cocaine to middle class intellectuals, but other than that...
     
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  2. BrunelGooner

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    Whether people want to accept it or not, she had British citizenship and should have been treated as a British citizen committing a serious criminal offence. If people in this country want to laud the "British Values" of democracy and rule of law, they need to be consistent in how they apply these standards, even if that individual joins ISIS.

    Having read about the situation a little more, it is patently obvious she was groomed as a 15-year old, along with her friends. She shouldn't get off scot free, but that also doesn't give Sajid Javid the right to determine who is and who isn't worthy of British citizenship. Especially as he represents one of the most vile and morally bankrupt parties in the U.K.

    Ironically, the one person who actually spoke the most sense on this issue was Jacob Rees-Mogg....I know, right?!? Broken clocks etc...
     
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  3. Rocky blue army

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    She knew what she was doing joined a terrorist group and as far as I'm concerned she can rot in hell.should bring back hanging for terrorists.They have no morals and don't care who they kill I'm a family man and feel sorry for the families that suffer losing loved ones to actions of people like her.
     
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  4. deedub93

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    Clearly the middle class intellectuals who use cocaine are putting money into the hands of the criminal gangs, so they are perpetuating the problem, that is why it is so important to end the prohibition. Supply the drug at the right price through Pharmacists, so the crime gangs cannot make a profit and put them out of business. Once the crime gangs have gone/moved on to something else, the kids will no longer be an expendable commodity. The government might actually be able to turn over a small profit which could be used for good causes to help the young underprivileged kids.

    You say that about Cressida Dick, It's interesting her counterpart in Copenhagen is actually the Chairman of the Danish branch of LEAP, the organisation try to end the prohibition world wide. @UKLEAP is worth having a look at.

    A warning for the Politicians though, when they mooted the idea in Mexico, the Drug cartels assassinated Politicians backing the scheme in order to protect their business.
     
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  5. deedub93

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    Bring back hanging for Treason might be what it needed. Surprisingly it was the Blair government the took it off the Statute books as late as the late 90's. Obviously it hadn't been used the fallout from WW2, but it was still a potential sentence.

    I can understand Brunel Gooners sentiments, but if making an example of her stops young girls in the future doing the same thing, then I think it is unfortunate, but a price worth paying.
     
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    Did she know what she doing at 15, though? She was from an underprivileged childhood from a low socioeconomic background, with seemingly very few good role models around her to advise her during a critical period of any child's life.

    When you have people like Anjem Choudhary being given a platform on television to tell people that 'ISIS isn't what it's made out to be' and 'people enjoy living with them' and 'Western media are lying about the Islamic State', whilst using very convincing lexicon to persuade others (baring in mind he was training to be a Lawyer before he became an extremist preacher), it is not unreasonable to think these kids were swayed by the same rhetoric.

    Hanging a kid for an admittedly outrageously terrible life choice will not solve the root cause of these issues. If anything, it will play into the hands of ISIS and will enhance their radicalisation tactics.

    We need to think about the wider ramifications of these incidents. This isn't the solution.
     
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  7. humanbeingincroydon

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    Where Dick's comparison goes wrong is that the average City Boy buys their nose sherbert directly from whoever is importing the drugs into the UK, which in the case of coke would be from Albania (at least it was the last time I could use The Independent's website without the pages being blocked off as they nagged me to turn off AdBlocker...) while the gangs skulking in the shadows of Hackney, Romford, Tower Hamlets etc also have to buy their coke from those gangs - so the middle class cocaine user can't be blamed for the gang-related stabbings, because that's like saying that if one person bought a Pot Noodle from Tesco and went on a shooting rampage that means everyone else who bought a Pot Noodle from Tesco is as much to blame for the shooting rampage as the one person who did it.
     
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    Licenced Pharmacists would not buy their cocaine from Albanian criminals so the chain would be broken and they would move elsewhere or change their MO.
     
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  9. "Thanks for that Brian"

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    May looking a lot less ****ing smug...She has acted reprehensibly and led us down a blind alley.

    Resign!
     
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  10. deedub93

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    I am not for one second saying this young girl should be hung, but Jihadi John and the rest of the beatles if they had been caught or even the two guys who murdered the squadie in Woolwich might be prime candidates.
     
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    Another defeat in the Commons, you say?

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  12. Rocky blue army

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    She's not a kid she's an adult and admitted she knew about Isis members beheading people and was ok with that she deserves whatever punishment she gets.when I was 15 I knew right from wrong and to this day have never had the urge to join a terrorist group or take another person's life and never will.if a fanatic said to me stick your head in the oven and turn the gas on or strap a bomb to myself and blow up people around me whether I was 6 years old or bloody 58 as I am now the answer I would give them would not be printable even on here ffs
     
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  13. deedub93

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    You had the benefit of free school milk though Rocky, nowadays they don't, so it's the governments fault.
     
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    <laugh>
     
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    These days it's more a case of "You had the benefits of free school meals, nowadays you don't, so it's the government's fault"
     
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    I share your feelings Rocky, but a rule of law cannot discriminate randomly - so she’s needs to be repatriated and face Investigation and trial and then face the judicial outcome.
    Rightly or wrongly, the UK doesn’t have a death penalty....
     
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    Soon be, you had the benefit of free schools, nowadays they don't, so it's the governments fault.
     
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  18. Rocky blue army

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    That's the problem our justice system is too lenient
     
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    Thank you Mr Hicks
     
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    She’s still here and I think we can safely predict she’ll still be here tomorrow, and the day after that, and the day after that...

    That’s the problem with zombies. They don’t realise they’re dead.
     
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