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Objection!

Discussion in 'Horse Racing' started by Reebok, Sep 9, 2011.

  1. Reebok

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    I have a question for someone ..... anyone. I put this up on another website and wasn't able to resolve it. But you lot are a lot more knowledgable.

    Ok flattery over with - read on :)

    Last weekends almost triple dead-heat involving Dream Ahead, Bated Breath and Hoof It, jogged a memory.

    Being extremely ancient I can remember back in the day when you would frequently be told that there was "a stewards enquiry and an objection". The possible outcome of which might be "objection over-ruled and after the stewards enquiry, the result stands"

    Having been only the vaguest of racing followers for 15 years, I started to pick up more of my old interest about 2 years ago, and yet I can't remember hearing a result where there was an "objection" in that time.

    So ... is objecting to a reult by a trainer now not allowed or has it been made redundant by technology? I saw that Hoof It's connections may well lodge an objection at this late stage, but it got me wondering .....
     
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  2. Cyclonic

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    Dunno about over there, but here in Oz, protests are all over the place. But me thinks you're talking tongue in cheek.
     
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  3. OddDog

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    I think objections are still allowed in the UK but do not happen very often. It would have to be a very tight, nip-and-tuck finish where 1 horse had badly interfered with the other. I guess if there was a case for an objection the Steward would have called an enquiry anyway? They always struck me as "trigger happy" with objections, allows them to have a glass of wine and a chat <laugh>
     
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  4. Ron

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  5. QuarterMoonII

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    Objections are still allowed, but I think they have just become very infrequent.

    In the last thirty years, the occasions that I can recall there being objections they were almost always by the jockey (usually of the runner-up). This would lead to a stewards&#8217; enquiry and I think it is fairly safe to say that these used to occur when no enquiry had been announced and the jockey was objecting in order to force an enquiry. I suspect that the video technology is much better than it used to be and the stewards are probably better trained and more observant than the old school tie brigade used to be, so jockeys simply have not needed to object much in recent times.

    As far as I am aware, owners and trainers can still object as soon as the horses have crossed the winning line. In the case of the Sprint Cup three-horse finish, nobody needed to object because an enquiry was called almost immediately. The annoying thing is that if the owners do object to the BHA and the result is amended, whilst they will get the prize money for being promoted to second, punters who backed Bated Breath (who would be awarded the race) will not get paid out because the official result that the bookies pay on is cast in stone as soon as the weigh in is announced.
     
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  6. Islanderpei

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    Same here cyc objections up the ying yang, looks like only the punter and the horse cannot make an objection, normally find that the first horse who gets to the winners circle first gets it, the tote should have a side bet on who makes it back first to the winners enclosure
     
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  7. Cyclonic

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    <laugh>. It's the same here Islander, it's a mad scramble to get back to the saddling enclosure. jockey yell's from horse's back that's going to protest. Then the camera shows the enquiry just like a soap episode. Bookies instantly throw up a market. Bookies are really a bit like ambulance chasers.
     
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  8. NassauBoard

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    Happened on Wednesday at Donny in the sprint handicap.
     
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  9. FulkesFestival40

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    It seems to me there has been a big drop in the number of enquiries and amended results over the years and this favours one group in particular - the bookies. Bookmakers need to maximise turnover and do not want to to see payouts delayed by enquiries. They want to pay out asap so that winning punters re-invest asap. There is no doubt that many races which a few years back would have resulted in an amended result either have no enquiry at all or if there is the result stands. I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing but just making a general observation.
     
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