OK fine my mothers side is German so I thought you were making a condescending remark. I apologise for that.
I can assure you all that applying (and paying) for a visa, every year, to live in a country outside the EU (or next year inside the EU) is not easy or cheap and basically takes up 2 weeks of my life every year.
My stepson was offered a job working for Dan Heath, the composer and producer based in LA. He’s written songs for Lana Del Rey among others. To get a temporary working visa required a petition fee of $4500, which my stepson paid. 4 months later with no visa in sight the job offer was withdrawn, with no refund of the $4500.
It will still do the same for me......and people like me. I will still be travelling to Europe. something you seem to think will not be possible. People will still retire where they want. They will still be self supporting. Poor folk don;t have the kind of pensions to be able to choose that, only the ones with a private pension or savings. And people will still buy property abroad (apart from Jersey and anywhere else that has limitations on who can buy.) All this is nonsense. You are presenting something being harder as something being impossible. People move to Aus, US, working, retiring, buying property all over the world in places that aren't in the EU.
And something he still hasn't properly been investigated for setting Luxembourg up as an illegal tax haven against the very rules that he is supposed to be in charge of now.
I think you need something like half a million in the bank to move to new Zealand - not really applicable to any of us is it?
Try retiring to Spain post-Brexit with no reciprocal health coverage. Good luck getting insurance cover ..... Brexit will ONLY help those with loads of money or business built on venture capital or currency trading ..... Everyone else can go hang .... Suggest you pop over to the US with no health insurance, Imps - you may well regret it .....
Point being? Imps chooses to argue until all the cows have died, let alone come home, spinning anything to suit his rhetoric. I only joined in to ask a simple question (still not fecking answered, by the way). I genuinely wanted to hear examples of better news as there is always some goood with some bad, but no. Nothing. Just petty pedantry. The bloke was elected, whether marked deck or not. Didn’t suit Imps though.
Visiting, yes. Some of us have taken the opportunity to live and work elsewhere in Europe, or to do business with clients and suppliers in Europe. All of that will now get a lot more difficult.
I knew an English fellow who, in his early 20s, was one of the foremost experts on a number of financial matters related to the National Basketball Association. Was recruited to work for an organization, which would have put him on a track to being a top-level executive. He couldn't even get a work visa, because his job description was folded into something ridiculously broad like "accountant"...even though he may have been the only person in the world with his knowledge.
Chilco's example is bad and I agree that there are limitations that weren't there before however for most people the choice of studying, living working abroad is not as easy as many are trying to paint this picture as. It really is limited to those who have money (themselves or parents/family.) But it is not impossible. I just can't see places like Spain going along with any plan that stops free money (UK pensions) coming into their country.
I don't want to move to the US or Australia. Nor does anyone I know nor anyone (I suspect) in my circumstance financially or lifewise. My Dad's brother has lived and worked in both the US and France for IBM as have several other relatives. before and after the EU. Difference being they were in top jobs and had money. Everyone I know though that has, returned to the UK when they retired or before in my Dad's brother's case working at IBM Basingstoke. For all I know they probably voted leave as well (being old and fuddy duddy.) I vaguely remember having a discussion with my Dad's brother about the euro back in the late nineties and if I remember, me being a naive chap I was actually in favour of it while he was vehemently opposed to it. Was probs about '97/8 when Saints played Lincoln (him being a Saints fan too) and 3 of my Lincoln City friends and me stayed with him and we all went in the away end (with my uncle and I jumping up at the wrong goals to some funny looks )
My stepdaughter got a job as an au pair outside Madrid when she finished uni. She fell in love with Spain and taught dance and EFL in Barcelona for 4 years, and became fluent in Spanish and Catalan. No bureaucratic issues in all that time, because of our EU membership. The contrast with her brother trying to work in LA couldn’t be greater, but the gap will close after Brexit. You don’t actually know what you’re talking about in this instance Imps.
